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Old 08-16-2012, 11:24 PM   #1
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Default Top Five Greatest Fighters Ever

All factors included, pound for pound, record, legacy... all of it.

Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Robinson
Robert Fitzsimmons
Joe Louis

Who else can the argument be made for to fit into this utmost top echelon. Armstrong comes to mind but a relatively short prime hinders him just enough. Ali certainly has a case. Duran has a case in my mind but again comes up just short. I don't think the dust has settled enough on the fighter of the past 20 or 30 years to properly place them but I suspect none qualify to threaten anyone in this group.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:29 PM   #2
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All factors included, pound for pound, record, legacy... all of it.

Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Robinson
Robert Fitzsimmons
Joe Louis

Who else can the argument be made for to fit into this utmost top echelon. Armstrong comes to mind but a relatively short prime hinders him just enough. Ali certainly has a case. Duran has a case in my mind but again comes up just short. I don't think the dust has settled enough on the fighter of the past 20 or 30 years to properly place them but I suspect none qualify to threaten anyone in this group.

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I would put Armstrong around 3 and Louis around 8-9 and Charles might edge Fitz for me as well...but no arguments from me...looks solid
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:35 PM   #3
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maybe armstrong ahead of louis. i think i prefer ali to louis anyways.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:39 PM   #4
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I understand the objection to Louis but I think we tend to take him for granted. He wiped out the division completely and in rather emphatic fashion and kept it under his thumb for a record setting period. He was also the best punching heavyweight I have ever seen... in the sense that really matters, accuracy, combos and finishing skills. I'll stand by that pick.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:43 PM   #5
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I won't strongly disagree at all. I just think the simultaneous 3 weight champion thing is unreal.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:43 PM   #6
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maybe armstrong ahead of louis. i think i prefer ali to louis anyways.
I have always wondered about this...for me it easy I rate Louis higher as a HW and so I do P4P as well. I once saw a documentaqry that had louis 1 and Ali 2 @ Hw and then had Ali @ 9 and Louis @ 10 P4P using the same panal???

Anyway, I assume you have Ali 1 and Louis 2 if so does louis close the gap any by having a slightly lower weight than Ali....or do you just lump all HW's into one realm regardless of their weight as in other divisions???

Ali 23 y/o Liston 1 210
Louis 24 y/o Schmeling I 198

30 y/o Ali 1972 aprx 219
30 y/o Louis 1944 204

around 10-15 lbs difference does that factor in or no?
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:45 PM   #7
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I have always wondered about this...for me it easy I rate Louis higher as a HW and so I do P4P as well. I once saw a documentaqry that had louis 1 and Ali 2 @ Hw and then had Ali @ 9 and Louis @ 10 P4P using the same panal???

Anyway, I assume you have Ali 1 and Louis 2 if so does louis close the gap any by having a slightly lower weight than Ali....or do you just lump all HW's into one realm regardless of their weight as in other divisions???

Ali 23 y/o Liston 1 210
Louis 24 y/o Schmeling I 198

30 y/o Ali 1972 aprx 219
30 y/o Louis 1944 204

around 10-15 lbs difference does that factor in or no?
with these two it's relative because louis fought in a lighter division than ali if I recall correctly.

but let's say haye and wlad beat the exact same 20 opponents, I'd give haye more p4p credit.

that aside though having ali as hw #1 is p4p credit material anyways.

good point though.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:48 PM   #8
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with these two it's relative because louis fought in a lighter division than ali if I recall correctly.

but let's say haye and wlad beat the exact same 20 opponents, I'd give haye more p4p credit.

that aside though having ali as hw #1 is p4p credit material anyways.

good point though.
I really was not criticizing your pick, just curious how you got there! Thanks
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:50 PM   #9
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Maybe something like

Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Duran
Louis
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:58 PM   #10
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I can't have Louis ahead of Ali in this since I rate Ali higher than Louis at heavyweight and overall.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Hank Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Ezzard Charles






6. Muhammad Ali
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:35 AM   #11
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Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Robinson
Robert Fitzsimmons
Joe Louis
I like Fitz in there. He's not being given enough credit lately. Maybe I'd knock Joe for Armstrong. And I just don't know what to do with Langford. He's definitely a P4P ATG, but in which position I still don't know.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:08 AM   #12
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......willie pep should be in but i can't decide who to take out to get him in there,,,
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1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Duran
4. Berrera
5.Frazier
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All factors included, pound for pound, record, legacy... all of it.

Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Robinson
Robert Fitzsimmons
Joe Louis

Who else can the argument be made for to fit into this utmost top echelon.
Probably Willie Pep. Not just for the # of wins and his dominance at Featherweight. Taking into account his comeback from an airplane crash and a broken back. Being able to even take on and even beat fighters like Sandy Saddler after an injury like that is phenomenal.

Ali has a very strong case. The man fought everybody.
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1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Norris
4. Louis
5. Pudwill
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