Floyd or Duran - Most skilled?

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by SoxNation

In their minds Duran is amazingly skilled and it can't be contested. I've seen plenty of his fights and I've never been as impressed as these guys pretend to be. I can point to him being outboxed by the likes of Leonard and Benitez, I can point out to him being stretched out in the middle of the ring against Hearns after not being able to avoid his punches or find an adequate gameplan against The Hitman and I can even point out to him moving way up in weight and going life and death against Iran Barkley, but I won't do that. Just watch the video that someone posted in this thread and see if you can see what's so spectacular about Duran's skills. I just don't see it.

Thats because you have only been into boxing for a few months likely & only know todays fighters & haven`t took time to watch full fights of past greats, Duran had a record of 71-1 going into the first Leonard fight, he could have retired right there & been a top 15 ATG fighter... he fought on past his prime, losing vs bigger fighters that just happened to be ATGs as well, he also managed to win a 154 & 160 lb title while miles past his best.

If you truly knew about Duran`s history or just how dominant & good he was at his best you`d feel ashamed about the pish you have just typed... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard & even Benitez were all genuine ATG fighters but guess what ?... they rarely if at all make a top 10 ATG p4p list (Leonard makes a few to be fair but misses out on the majority)

Duran makes just about every top 10 list as well as being ranked as the greatest ever 135 lber... why is that ?... use your head, they put him there because his overall career was greater than theirs & he was one of the best ever at his best in his 20s.... he was voted the fighter of the decade in the 70s ahead of Carlos Monzon & Muhammad Ali... floyd wouldn`t even fight the guy who was voted fighter of the decade in his OWN ERA... there is no comparison here, think about it.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Thats because you have only been into boxing for a few months likely & only know todays fighters & haven`t took time to watch full fights of past greats, Duran had a record of 71-1 going into the first Leonard fight, he could have retired right there & been a top 15 ATG fighter... he fought on past his prime, losing vs bigger fighters that just happened to be ATGs as well, he also managed to win a 154 & 160 lb title while miles past his best.

If you truly knew about Duran`s history or just how dominant & good he was at his best you`d feel ashamed about the pish you have just typed... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard & even Benitez were all genuine ATG fighters but guess what ?... they rarely if at all make a top 10 ATG p4p list (Leonard makes a few to be fair but misses out on the majority)

Duran makes just about every top 10 list as well as being ranked as the greatest ever 135 lber... why is that ?... use your head, they put him there because his overall career was greater than theirs & he was one of the best ever at his best in his 20s.... he was voted the fighter of the decade in the 70s ahead of Carlos Monzon & Muhammad Ali... floyd wouldn`t even fight the guy who was voted fighter of the decade in his OWN ERA... there is no comparison here, think about it.

I'm willing to bet 90% of the General Forum have never seen a full Duran lightweight bout.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by papadoc28

Is this thread about who is better skilled or who fought better competition?

And who exactly is this best of the best he has missed out on? Remember we are talking about The Best here.

We know that, Duran has showed a greater variety of skills than floyd, the fact he did it vs better fighters is only a bonus.

Is that some sort of sick joke ?... where have you been for the past 3 years ?

[JMP]

Duran. Clearly.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by turbotime

I'm willing to bet 90% of the General Forum have never seen a full Duran lightweight bout.

I`d say your right there.

[1_man_army]

Originally Posted by turbotime

I'm willing to bet 90% of the General Forum have never seen a full Duran lightweight bout.

Their loss.

[JMP]

The general forum sucks for the most part. This comes as no surprise.

[bladerunner]

Originally Posted by turbotime

I'm willing to bet 90% of the General Forum have never seen a full Duran lightweight bout.

Its the 24/7 generation of boxing fans, guys who discovered boxing after watching Floyd on that show, they just repeat what others who dont know shit say and run with it as if they are talking facts.they dont have a clue who Ken Buchanan was,or Esteban Dejesus or Ernesto Marcel they are too busy following Boner's twitter and being mesmerized by his taking a dump pics he posts there and his Mayweather dickriding which they relate to, and all that gay shit that goes on social media today.

[avenel]

duran all day

[puga_ni_nana]

skills can only be proven in regards to your opponents. duran's level of competition is miles ahead of floyd that his is proven and floyd mostly stands on fantasy level. to date, floyd's biggest win is corrales while duran's biggest win is SRL.

[Bogotazo]

Originally Posted by Pimp C

Because he's more skilled that's why. Duran is arguably one of the most overrated fighters in boxing people love his machismo much like Erik Morales and tend to overrate him also the fact that he's the greatest Latino fighter of all time so he gets extra points for that. So he gets overrated to that degree. For example when you look at ATG list people often rank Duran over SRL who is the better fighter which is ridiculous. They play up his success but overlook his flaws and loses and have an excuse for every loss, he didn't train or he didn't care. Really?? He got his socks boxed off by Benitez got KFTO by Hearns lost to Hagler and quit against SRL in one of the biggest fights of his career and is always remembered for No Mas. That's the type of bias that I'm talking about and is treated like some kind of boxing God who could do no wrong.

All you've ranted about is how Duran is "overrated". I've yet to hear how Floyd is more skilled. Having a better defensive guard and looking prettier on your feet does not translate into more skills, versatility, & completeness as a fighter. Duran losing past his prime and past his best weight against ATG's adds nothing to the conversation about the comparison of skill between the two.

Again, Duran bringing Hagler to a close points decision at that age and weight took a display of more sheer craft than most, if not all, of Floyd's wins. Forget about who likes Duran or doesn't; he beat the better fighters with less physical advantages (often with disadvantages Floyd has never, and will likely never, face).

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

skills can only be proven in regards to your opponents. duran's level of competition is miles ahead of floyd that his is proven and floyd mostly stands on fantasy level. to date, floyd's biggest win is corrales while duran's biggest win is SRL.

Damn, as a Floyd fan, that stung a bit

[ThaWiseJester]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

skills can only be proven in regards to your opponents. duran's level of competition is miles ahead of floyd that his is proven and floyd mostly stands on fantasy level. to date, floyd's biggest win is corrales while duran's biggest win is SRL.

Yeah then the man quit like a girl while not even hurt.... Can you imagine,Floyd,Manny doing that today! Look at the shit Cotto got for taking a knee against a cheater,Ortiz quitting against Maidana, of some say justifiably so against Lopez,but they were at least gassed out and/or hurt....

These forums would be full flooded with the same topic,if either one quit in the fashion Duran did... Duran folded under pressure because Sugar was twirling his hands around and poking him.. You exaggerate his greatness due to your disdain for Floyd...You say he beat Sugar,but leave out the fact he quit...

People didn't pay money to see an All Time Great decide he does not want to fight in the 7th round with the WBC Super Middle Weight title on the line.. Credit to Floyd and Pac you'll never see them quit while not even hurt..

[war4years]

Originally Posted by Bogotazo

All you've ranted about is how Duran is "overrated". I've yet to hear how Floyd is more skilled. Having a better defensive guard and looking prettier on your feet does not translate into more skills, versatility, & completeness as a fighter. Duran losing past his prime and past his best weight against ATG's adds nothing to the conversation about the comparison of skill between the two.

Again, Duran bringing Hagler to a close points decision at that age and weight took a display of more sheer craft than most, if not all, of Floyd's wins. Forget about who likes Duran or doesn't; he beat the better fighters with less physical advantages (often with disadvantages Floyd has never, and will likely never, face).

I wonder how floyd's D would hold up against hagler.

[Primera]

Duran easily.