Floyd or Duran - Most skilled?

[bladerunner]

Mayweather winning this poll.

This site is turning into Flomoland.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by bladerunner

Mayweather winning this poll.

This site is turning into Flomoland.

90% of the people that voted for fmj have never seen a full Duran fight pre 1980... everyone that voted for Duran has almost defintely seen both Duran & fmj fight... this poll (76-70 or thereabouts) in a place this fucked up is actually a clear Duran victory, everything considered.

[tman17tm]

Originally Posted by Jai C

Do we really have to do this? Floyd is far more skilled than Duran. Its not even close!!!

This is exactly my feeling!

[JMP]

Originally Posted by tman17tm

This is exactly my feeling!

What'd you think of the skills Duran showed against De Jesus in the 2nd and 3rd fights? How about the Palomino fight?

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Chopper

Duran was past prime in all his big losses. Didnt train well, wasnt focused, ect ect.

Those are facts. What can I do ? Just ignore these facts ?

[Bogotazo]

Originally Posted by JMP

Duran having competitive stretches against Hagler, and ultimately going the distance would be similar to Mayweather losing to somebody like Mike McCallum in his prime, but remaining competitive. It wouldn't diminish Mayweather's skills and if anything, would enhance them as he's currently in a past-prime state fighting in the junior middleweight division against a H2H monster at the weight. Furthering on that scenario, what people are doing in this thread would be similar to ignoring everything Mayweather showed skill-wise and technically from 130 up to the Ricky Hatton fight. It's frustrating.

Also, a number of people can't seem to grasp the simple concept that Duran was indeed past his prime fighting above welterweight (after 80+ fights no less and years of adding and losing weight). The proof was entirely in the footage. His footspeed decreased substantially making him more susceptible to rangy boxer/mover types and his handspeed clearly slowed as well. Add into that his waning focus, passion, and desire - when combined, made Duran the fierce fighting machine he was - and you're going to pile some losses onto your record. These aren't excuses; he lost to better fighters than he was at that point (and still managed to beat guys like Moore and Barkley as you said - which is a testament to his versatility, defense, and overall skill).

You're 100 percent right that people aren't answering the question. They're using generalities regarding Duran's all-time ranking, career trajectory, and his latter-career performances. There's nothing remotely in the way of a true discussion where respective skill-sets and facets of the sport are being debated and discussed. What can ya do, though?

You hit the nail on the head my friend. So preoccupied are they with defending Floyd and diminishing Duran's abilities in the process that they point to a handful of past-prime losses while ignoring the better part of an ATG career.

Originally Posted by bladerunner

Mayweather winning this poll.

This site is turning into Flomoland.

When Floyd was on vacation, the flomos cleared out right quick, and we had the Pactard infestation. Ever since Manny got the gift against JMM, they've been on a tirade non-stop.

[Bogotazo]

Originally Posted by JMP

What'd you think of the skills Duran showed against De Jesus in the 2nd and 3rd fights? How about the Palomino fight?

Let's not hold our breath here.

[brnxhands]

Who is that in your avatar?

Originally Posted by bladerunner

Mayweather winning this poll.

This site is turning into Flomoland.

[bladerunner]

Originally Posted by brnxhands

Who is that in your avatar?

MMA Fighter Miesha Tate.

[Midwest_Chopper]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Those are facts. What can I do ? Just ignore these facts ?

Yes we've heard it before. Pre-Leonard II Duran=ATG. Post Leonard II Duran=shot Duran. Except for Duran v Hagler, Duran v Barkley.

Heard it before.

[Midwest_Chopper]

We need MAG1985 to show up to really piss off the Duran nuthuggers lol.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by JMP

What'd you think of the skills Duran showed against De Jesus in the 2nd and 3rd fights? How about the Palomino fight?

These floyd voters wouldn`t have seen any of those fights, they think Duran`s career started in 1980.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Chopper

Yes we've heard it before. Pre-Leonard II Duran=ATG. Post Leonard II Duran=shot Duran. Except for Duran v Hagler, Duran v Barkley.

Heard it before.

You know it is possible to put in the odd good performance when your past your prime... its not excuses, Duran lost to Hagler, Hearns & whoever else because they were bigger & better at the time of those fights, but its absolutely ridiculous to say that it was Duran in his prime years, you only have to look at the man that ruled the lightweights from 1972-78 & the welterweight Duran that beat Palomino & Leonard to know that he was a much better fighter then, its retarded to suggest otherwise.
Common sense alone tells you that a man that goes into the first Leonard fight with a record of 71-1 hasn`t got a whole lot of great fights left to give at elite level.

Duran doesn`t make just about every top 10 p4p list by accident, he earned it as one of the best fighters that ever lived.

[Ahurath]

I know it's hard for some people to admit it but boxing has evolved ALOT since durans day.

[brnxhands]

Since durans day? As if it was 100 years ago. The talent pool got worse. Duran is a modern fighter. I bet you think Paul williams had more skills than Hearns

Originally Posted by Ahurath

I know it's hard for some people to admit it but boxing has evolved ALOT since durans day.