Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions - Page 5

TheSouthpaw · 08-23-2012, 09:55 PM

@hawkfan...I love Joe Frazier he's my all time fav, but I dont think Power wise I could mention him in the same sentence as Foreman, or Marciano..Although his left hook could probably kill a horse, thats about all the power he had

WhyYouLittle · 08-23-2012, 09:56 PM

Baer is kinda hard to measure because of his lack of consistency (between rounds even) and his complete disregard for technical discipline. He did cause an accidental death in the ring and probably have been responsible for another though. Some who witnessed him back in the day suspected he might have gone cuffed sometimes, though nothing was proven (not that I know of anyway).

HawkFan16 · 08-23-2012, 10:08 PM

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Im surprised to see Shane Mosley at LW!...

Mosley was loaded full of horse steroids and god knows what else at 135. He was fast, powerful, and had great stamina at that weight.

I think he deserves his spot. He hit really, really hard at 135.

As for Frazier, you're right, his left hook was what got him on that list. Well, that, plus the fact it didn't extend into the mid 1990s. If it did, I'd probably throw him out and put Tua and Lennox Lewis in his place almost immediately. Those guys didn't really hit the scene until the 1990s, though.

TheSouthpaw · 08-23-2012, 10:18 PM

I was not aware of Sugar Shane doping at LW...Because i never really was impressed with his power at WW...Speed yes!..but not power

TheSouthpaw · 08-23-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HawkFan16

Mosley was loaded full of horse steroids and god knows what else at 135. He was fast, powerful, and had great stamina at that weight.

I think he deserves his spot. He hit really, really hard at 135.

As for Frazier, you're right, his left hook was what got him on that list. Well, that, plus the fact it didn't extend into the mid 1990s. If it did, I'd probably throw him out and put Tua and Lennox Lewis in his place almost immediately. Those guys didn't really hit the scene until the 1990s, though.

Tua!!!???....Really?

turbotime · 08-23-2012, 10:24 PM

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Im surprised to see Shane Mosley at LW!...

Shane hit really hard at 135. At 147 as well, I mean afterall he did stop Margarito and had him down a couple times.

HawkFan16 · 08-23-2012, 10:29 PM

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Tua!!!???....Really?

Yes. Tua did not have much in the way of technical skills, but in terms of sheer, brute punching power, he was among the very best the division has seen.

I actually think Tua had more single-shot KO power than Tyson. Tyson had excellent single shot power in his own right, but part of what made him special to me at least was how explosive he was, his blend of handspeed AND power. Tyson could string together fast, powerful combinations very easily, all with solid KO power in his prime. Those would leave his victims battered and unable to continue in most cases, but he seldom knocked a guy completely senseless the way Tua did to Ruiz, for instance.

Tua, meanwhile, didn't have the same handspeed or explosiveness, but he tried to decapitate the other guy with almost every punch he threw. It also didn't seem to matter whether or not he was getting schooled or roughed up at any time, either. There have been a number of Tua fights (Rahman and Maskaev come to mind immediately) where he was getting handily outboxed and beaten, only to suddenly end the fight with one shot. Tua had one shot KO power at any time of the fight.

I love Tyson, but he really didn't get too many KO's after the middle rounds. I think his power was at its greatest for the first two thirds of the fight, and then eased off a little. Most people couldn't survive the first 7-8 rounds of him, and if they did, they were usually in gunshy retreat mode. That's part of what made him almost unbeatable in his prime. That insanely destructive assault early on would break the confidence of just about all but the most mentally strong ATG heavyweights (like Ali) to the point they wouldn't want to try to win the fight later.

TheSouthpaw · 08-23-2012, 10:29 PM

Margarito did get a good old fashioned ass whoopin thats for sure...

TheSouthpaw · 08-24-2012, 04:11 AM

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Yes. Tua did not have much in the way of technical skills, but in terms of sheer, brute punching power, he was among the very best the division has seen.

I actually think Tua had more single-shot KO power than Tyson. Tyson had excellent single shot power in his own right, but part of what made him special to me at least was how explosive he was, his blend of handspeed AND power. Tyson could string together fast, powerful combinations very easily, all with solid KO power in his prime. Those would leave his victims battered and unable to continue in most cases, but he seldom knocked a guy completely senseless the way Tua did to Ruiz, for instance.

Tua, meanwhile, didn't have the same handspeed or explosiveness, but he tried to decapitate the other guy with almost every punch he threw. It also didn't seem to matter whether or not he was getting schooled or roughed up at any time, either. There have been a number of Tua fights (Rahman and Maskaev come to mind immediately) where he was getting handily outboxed and beaten, only to suddenly end the fight with one shot. Tua had one shot KO power at any time of the fight.

I love Tyson, but he really didn't get too many KO's after the middle rounds. I think his power was at its greatest for the first two thirds of the fight, and then eased off a little. Most people couldn't survive the first 7-8 rounds of him, and if they did, they were usually in gunshy retreat mode. That's part of what made him almost unbeatable in his prime. That insanely destructive assault early on would break the confidence of just about all but the most mentally strong ATG heavyweights (like Ali) to the point they wouldn't want to try to win the fight later.

I refuse to believe that Tua had more raw power than Tyson

TheSouthpaw · 08-24-2012, 04:14 AM

My final Top 3 hardest punchers in the HW division
1. Foreman
2. Marciano
3. Tyson

Webbiano · 08-24-2012, 07:41 AM

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Foreman/Louis
MW - Jackson/Ketchel
Ww- Hearns
LW- Williams, Duran, Delahoya

???? You need to slow down on the nuthuggery turbo, it's starting to get a little ridiculous. Last time I checked De La Hoya wasn't fighting in the pros in 1990

Fellonblackdays · 08-24-2012, 07:56 AM

Foreman for heavy weight its very hard to dispute that. I mean used to leave indentations on heavy bags. Welterweights Thomas Hearns and Pipino Cuevas. Lightweight for me its Roberto Duran.

TheSouthpaw · 08-24-2012, 03:44 PM

No actually Foreman used to break heavybags...he was a beast

turbotime · 08-24-2012, 04:40 PM

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???? You need to slow down on the nuthuggery turbo, it's starting to get a little ridiculous. Last time I checked De La Hoya wasn't fighting in the pros in 1990

The 1990 Delahoya that cut Ivan Robinson to ribbons in the world championships was hitting harder than most pro lightweights at the time, if not all.

TheSouthpaw · 08-24-2012, 04:50 PM

A 1990 Oscar was just a kid..

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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions @hawkfan...I love Joe Frazier he's my all time fav, but I dont think Power wise I could mention him in the same sentence as Foreman, or Marciano..Although his left hook could probably kill a horse, thats about all the power he had
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WhyYouLittle Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 222 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions Baer is kinda hard to measure because of his lack of consistency (between rounds even) and his complete disregard for technical discipline. He did cause an accidental death in the ring and probably have been responsible for another though. Some who witnessed him back in the day suspected he might have gone cuffed sometimes, though nothing was proven (not that I know of anyway).
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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions I was not aware of Sugar Shane doping at LW...Because i never really was impressed with his power at WW...Speed yes!..but not power
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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions Margarito did get a good old fashioned ass whoopin thats for sure...
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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions My final Top 3 hardest punchers in the HW division 1. Foreman 2. Marciano 3. Tyson
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08-24-2012, 07:56 AM	#72
Fellonblackdays Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,798 vCash: 462	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions Foreman for heavy weight its very hard to dispute that. I mean used to leave indentations on heavy bags. Welterweights Thomas Hearns and Pipino Cuevas. Lightweight for me its Roberto Duran.
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08-24-2012, 03:44 PM	#73
TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions No actually Foreman used to break heavybags...he was a beast
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TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,854 vCash: 500	Re: Hardest hitting fighters between 1940-1990 from the LW, WW, and HW divisions A 1990 Oscar was just a kid..
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