Linear heavyweight champions and being the best in the world.

[Longhhorn71]

[quote=lufcrazy;13651373]Have you seen the ellis and floyd fight?

And frazier didn't duck them, he did indeed fight the winner and did indeed knock him spark out.



Have you seen the ellis and floyd fight?
Numerous times...probably live on Wide World of Sports.....I keep looking at the official final result and it says Ellis wins.

Ol' Yank was moving and dodging those 8 touney fighters...he knew his young fighter wasn't ready yet.

Durham probably envisioned Liston bouncing Frazier around on the canvas like Foreman did.....we aren't talking "Srap Iron" Johnson when you describe Liston.

[JeanPaulValley]

I agree and this is why I love the linear titles. It's the only true title.

[lufcrazy]

[quote=Longhhorn71;13651580]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Have you seen the ellis and floyd fight?

And frazier didn't duck them, he did indeed fight the winner and did indeed knock him spark out.



Have you seen the ellis and floyd fight?
Numerous times...probably live on Wide World of Sports.....I keep looking at the official final result and it says Ellis wins.

Ol' Yank was moving and dodging those 8 touney fighters...he knew his young fighter wasn't ready yet.

Durham probably envisioned Liston bouncing Frazier around on the canvas like Foreman did.....we aren't talking "Srap Iron" Johnson when you describe Liston.

The official result says holy held lewis to a draw in the unification fight but that don't mean they were equal.

So he ducked the losers to fight the winner? Ok kid, whatever

[The Mongoose]

Originally Posted by JeanPaulValley

I agree and this is why I love the linear titles. It's the only true title.

Who are you in agreement with? The thread starter is actually arguing against the concept of the lineal champion being unconditionally recognized.

[lufcrazy]

Lineal is the purest claim but certainly not the only one that matters. The man makes the belt and not the other way round.

[The Mongoose]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Lineal is the purest claim but certainly not the only one that matters. The man makes the belt and not the other way round.

Exactly.

Lineal Title....




Real Title...

[janitor]

A more interesting thread might be "how many lineal champions were the best at the end of their reign".

There have been occasions when the next lineal champion was going to be he first major contender who got the champion into the ring!

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by The Mongoose

Exactly.

Lineal Title....




Real Title...

I am in total agreement. It's like our minds have synced together.

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by janitor

Prety on the money.

It could be argued that Peter Jackon was the best heavyweight in the world when Corbett won he title.

Jack Sharkey was the best in the world when Max Schmeling won the title, and ironicaly, Schmeling was better by the time Sharkey won the title.

Good point about Peter Jackson We tend to forget about him.

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by Longhhorn71

Why is Jimmy Ellis left out...Ali wasn't even fighting at that time Ellis won the title....and Frazier realized this, and refused to participate in the tourney.

Plus, Liston wasn't even asked to the Tourney.... most people thought he could beat all of them (with Ali retired).

As soon as Ali had his licence to box taken away from him in 1967,Joe Frazier was pretty much recognised as the best active heavyweight.