THE RING P4P LIST HAS BEEN UPDATED. Congrats to Andre Ward & Anselmo Moreno.

Phil Shad · 09-11-2012, 10:15 AM

As of 10/09/2012, here's the ring current P4P list:

1. Vacated
2. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
3. Andre Ward
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitchscko
10. Anselmo Moreno

Chad Dawson is out following his loss to Ward.
Anselmo Moreno cracks in the top 10 this week.
Andre Ward moves up two spots to 3rd on the P4P list.
Sergio Martinez falls one spot to 4th.
Nonito Donaire goes from 4th to 5th.

Thoughts?

Midwest_Chopper · 09-11-2012, 10:17 AM

How the hell does Nonito rank ahead of Marquez?

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:18 AM

nice...but the tie at #2 is fucking stupid...they have Jmm ranked high based on the "controversial"decision against Manny...yet still have Manny ranked at the top after"a controversial"loss against Bradley...makes 0 sense

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Midwest_Chopper

How the hell does Nonito rank ahead of Marquez?

who has Jmm officially beat in the last 3 years worth mentioning?

Zopilote · 09-11-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by larryx2012

who has Jmm officially beat in the last 3 years worth mentioning?

He beat Pacquiao...Fuck your "officially" talk.

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:21 AM

Floyds last 3 fights he has beaten 3 current champions

Mannys last 3 fights

Mosley-hadnt won in 2 years
Jmm-38 year old lightweight
bradley-lost

how in the hell are they tied?

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Zopilote

He beat Pacquiao...Fuck your "officially" talk.

ok then why the hell is Manny still tied with Floyd at #2?

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:22 AM

Manny should not even be in the top 5

Midwest_Chopper · 09-11-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by larryx2012

who has Jmm officially beat in the last 3 years worth mentioning?

Getting robbed against Pacquaio is greater then Nonitos entire career. Plus hes dominated everyone not named Mayweather.

Whereas Nonito has beem underwhelming for awhile now to say the least.

larryx2012 · 09-11-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Midwest_Chopper

Getting robbed against Pacquaio is greater then Nonitos entire career. Plus hes dominated everyone not named Mayweather.

Whereas Nonito has beem underwhelming for awhile now to say the least.

He never dominated Manny nor Chis John nor Freddy Norwood...maybe you think he should have won those fights but he damn sho did not dominate

Zopilote · 09-11-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by larryx2012

ok then why the hell is Manny still tied with Floyd at #2?

He shouldn't be, i agree with you there.

Floyd
Ward
Marquez
Martinez

Thats how the top 4 should look like...After that, whatever.

bballchump11 · 09-11-2012, 10:30 AM

I like Moreno, but mares is more deserving even though I think Moreno will beat him

Rico Spadafora · 09-11-2012, 10:31 AM

How is making a guy come down to your weight class and fight in your town proving your P4P status?

It isn't. If Ward had moved up and beat Dawson that would have proven a lot. Things like this is why P4P is so stupid.

Midwest_Chopper · 09-11-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by larryx2012

He never dominated Manny nor Chis John nor Freddy Norwood...maybe you think he should have won those fights but he damn sho did not dominate

Last 3 years going off what u said

haworths623 · 09-11-2012, 10:43 AM

How did I know this thread would turn into a debate about Pacquiao/ Mayweather rather than talking about the issue the thread starter brought up?

Anyway Andre Ward moving ahead of Martinez and Donaire is fair in my opinion although Donaire has a much better resume than he's given credit for just because people don't know shit about the lower divisions. Martinez victories over Dzindriuk, Baker and Macklin are underrated too, however I think it's fairly safe to say at the same size Ward would defeat Martinez. Can't really envisage how a win over Chavez Jr will help him get his spot back as even if he destroys Jr people will just claim it was because Chavez is a hype job. For Donaire a spectacular victory over Nishioka would probably be held in a higher regard than Martinez beating Chavez but then people may also put it down to Nishioka's age.

As regards Moreno, I'm not too sold he's done enough to deserve inclusion into the top 10. I would agree he's the top bantamweight in the world right now and has some slick skills but he has one high profile victory- a lop sided win over Vic Darchinyan, but Darchinyan has since also lost to Shinsuke Yamanaka- which was also a lop sided UD and no one is mentioning him in a pound for pound sense. A couple of years ago Moreno also won a couple of razor thin SD over Nehmor Cermeno who has lost nearly every fight since.

A win over Mares and he certainly would warrnt inclusion. But I'd say at the moment Gamboa (unless it's a policy to drop someone who hasn't fought in a year), Froch or Nishioka would be better options.

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haworths623 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,650 vCash: 931	Re: THE RING P4P LIST HAS BEEN UPDATED. Congrats to Andre Ward & Anselmo Moreno. How did I know this thread would turn into a debate about Pacquiao/ Mayweather rather than talking about the issue the thread starter brought up? Anyway Andre Ward moving ahead of Martinez and Donaire is fair in my opinion although Donaire has a much better resume than he's given credit for just because people don't know shit about the lower divisions. Martinez victories over Dzindriuk, Baker and Macklin are underrated too, however I think it's fairly safe to say at the same size Ward would defeat Martinez. Can't really envisage how a win over Chavez Jr will help him get his spot back as even if he destroys Jr people will just claim it was because Chavez is a hype job. For Donaire a spectacular victory over Nishioka would probably be held in a higher regard than Martinez beating Chavez but then people may also put it down to Nishioka's age. As regards Moreno, I'm not too sold he's done enough to deserve inclusion into the top 10. I would agree he's the top bantamweight in the world right now and has some slick skills but he has one high profile victory- a lop sided win over Vic Darchinyan, but Darchinyan has since also lost to Shinsuke Yamanaka- which was also a lop sided UD and no one is mentioning him in a pound for pound sense. A couple of years ago Moreno also won a couple of razor thin SD over Nehmor Cermeno who has lost nearly every fight since. A win over Mares and he certainly would warrnt inclusion. But I'd say at the moment Gamboa (unless it's a policy to drop someone who hasn't fought in a year), Froch or Nishioka would be better options.
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