Paul Heyman backs Brock Lesnar as UFC Hall of Famer

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by concrete sledge

Ridiculous. His only strength was his size and his wrestling. Other than that, he had shit and besides winning a title, didn't accomplish much at all.

So he:

* Was the most heavily-publicized UFC signing ever, by far,

* Won the HW belt,

* Successfully defended it twice (No UFC HW has yet managed three successful defences in a single reign)

* Headlined both of the two biggest-selling PPVs in the company history,

* Headlined four of the six biggest-selling PPVs in company history,

* Defeated two fellow UFC HOFers in title fights*,

* Generated more mainstream media coverage and casual interest than ANY UFC fighter before or after him, and

* Was a bigger star than ANY UFC fighter before or after him.



I can understand if he was a massive bust, but he wasn't. Even with his life-threatening health problems, which ruined his strength, he achieved a lot of success in his career.

Bearing in mind that it is the UFC Hall of Fame, I honestly can't understand why anyone would say he shouldn't be in there. Other than "I don't like the guy/fuck Dana/fuck the UFC", that is.



* Mir will get there sooner or later.

[CrimsonBeast]

he deserves to be in there. He accomplished so much in such a short time and was the face of the UFC.

[kel]

I had nerdy blokes at work watch the UFC because of Lesnar, i'd say his impact to a wider audience is under estimated.

No problem with the UFC HOF

[caleb_forrest_g]

lol oh god.

[concrete sledge]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

So he:

* Was the most heavily-publicized UFC signing ever, by far,

* Won the HW belt,

* Successfully defended it twice (No UFC HW has yet managed three successful defences in a single reign)

* Headlined both of the two biggest-selling PPVs in the company history,

* Headlined four of the six biggest-selling PPVs in company history,

* Defeated two fellow UFC HOFers in title fights*,

* Generated more mainstream media coverage and casual interest than ANY UFC fighter before or after him, and

* Was a bigger star than ANY UFC fighter before or after him.



I can understand if he was a massive bust, but he wasn't. Even with his life-threatening health problems, which ruined his strength, he achieved a lot of success in his career.

Bearing in mind that it is the UFC Hall of Fame, I honestly can't understand why anyone would say he shouldn't be in there. Other than "I don't like the guy/fuck Dana/fuck the UFC", that is.



* Mir will get there sooner or later.

He attracted a bunch of WWE fans to watch his PPV's, big deal. He fought guys well past their prime and that were much smaller than him when they entered the octagon. He wasn't a well rounded fighter and only fought a half dozen times. HOF? Nope. If he could have taken a punch without crawling into a ball he may have even been more successful. He earned a title shot without even having to prove himself as well.

[Travis Fulton]

i think its all about the definition of fame
personnaly i dont consider lesnars "fame" worthy of the one accomplished by amazing fighters doing amazing things

i never thought lesnar did anything AMAZING in the octagon
& his number ($) really are nothing else than marketing wich for me personally has no purpose in his accomplishments

[concrete sledge]

Originally Posted by Travis Fulton

i think its all about the definition of fame
personnaly i dont consider lesnars "fame" worthy of the one accomplished by amazing fighters doing amazing things

i never thought lesnar did anything AMAZING in the octagon
& his number ($) really are nothing else than marketing wich for me personally has no purpose in his accomplishments

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by concrete sledge

He attracted a bunch of WWE fans to watch his PPV's, big deal. He fought guys well past their prime and that were much smaller than him when they entered the octagon. He wasn't a well rounded fighter and only fought a half dozen times. HOF? Nope. If he could have taken a punch without crawling into a ball he may have even been more successful. He earned a title shot without even having to prove himself as well.

When you look at just how many people he got to pay attention to MMA, (millions more than any fighter before or since) yes it is a big deal.

He also fought and beat guys that were much more experienced and far more well-rounded than he was. Also guys who were just as big, (arguably) stronger and certainly healthier than he was.

It's the "Hall of Fame", not the "Hall of Most Well-Rounded Guys."

He fought enough times and with enough success that only Randy Couture has more HW title defenses than Brock.

It's the "Hall of Fame", not the "Hall of Blood and Guts Warriors."

He justified his title shot by winning it, and then winning two more title fights against the division's top contenders.


Not seeing anything in your post that keeps him out of the UFC Hall of Fame.

A UFC HOF without by far the most famous and high-profile champion in company history would be a bit pointless, wouldn't it?

[Beouche]

Things gone all rainbow in here


Haggis is talkin a lot of sense

[kel]

Originally Posted by Beouche

Things gone all rainbow in here


Haggis is talkin a lot of sense

Agree............ Lesnar has the heart the size of a pea but his impact is great.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by kel

Agree............ Lesnar has the heart the size of a pea but his impact is great.

Exactly.

[BlackBrenny]

LOL, MMA still has a lot more growing to do when the face of the UFC and a hall of famer was deathly afraid to get hit and threw punches like a 3 year old.

[yaca you]

So many fighters that are far more deserving than Brock:

Evan Tanner, Don Fye, Pat Miletich, Jeremy Horn, Mark Kerr, Frank Shamrock...

What about fighters like Sakuraba, Genki Sudo, Bas Rutten or Cro Cop that fought for the UFC but achieved most of their succsess in other orgs shouldnt they be considered?

Also since the UFC bought out PRIDE FC, WEC, and Strikeforce shouldn't fighters from these orgs be eligible for the HOF? With these orgs gone who will place them in the HOF?

[Ne5ville14]

Originally Posted by yaca you

So many fighters that are far more deserving than Brock:

Evan Tanner, Don Fye, Pat Miletich, Jeremy Horn, Mark Kerr, Frank Shamrock...

What about fighters like Sakuraba, Genki Sudo, Bas Rutten or Cro Cop that fought for the UFC but achieved most of their succsess in other orgs shouldnt they be considered?

Also since the UFC bought out PRIDE FC, WEC, and Strikeforce shouldn't fighters from these orgs be eligible for the HOF? With these orgs gone who will place them in the HOF?

Its doesn't mean shit Yaca, because there wern't in the WWE before and they didn't brought over million of ignorant fan that stopped watching MMA as soon there idol, some kind of viking monster that has a dick tatooed on his chest, got destroyed.

There wern't given title shot based only on there popularity and didn't had the chance the fight for the title in one of the weakest HW divsion ever...so they don't deserve to in the UFC all of FAME. Those guy fuckin suck and don't deserve any recognition whatsoever. The only thing that is important right now is the post BBF era of the UFC

It's not like putting all those thing into context mean anything or matter in the least...

It's not like all the Lesnar fan base is still following MMA anyway....
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI[/ame]


But what the hell...Brock Lesnar is a legend of MMA, he wasn't helped at all by the UFC machine and he deserve all the credit he can get. FFS if there is an MMA Hall of Fame one day he should be the first one to get into it.

He got 2 of the highest rated PPV ever.

Manage to defend the title twice

Was the most hyped bitches of them all

He was the biggest baddest man on the planet for....3 month and 20 days until....
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePq2leY3c-c&feature=related[/ame]



wich wasn't really far from....
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKD3B7WKFYY[/ame]


So, yeah.....

LESNAR/COUTURE 2016 4sure bitches !!!

[Will Munny]

Not sure what HW's you could really put in the UFC HOF. Outside of Randy, no one else is deserving.