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Old 09-11-2012, 09:40 PM   #61
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What are the socio-political implications of calling him Clay?

Not long ago, Pepe posted a letter Clay wrote in 1966 and signed it "Cassius". Was Clay guilty of the same infraction that Senor Pepe is?


If a neighbor announced that henceforth he wanted to be called Bozo The Clown, would feel compelled to call him that? If you knew his name was John Smith would you feel an obligation to start referring to him as Bozo?
Would YOU refuse to call him Bozo if 50 years later that is what he and everyone else still identified him with?

If you honestly believe Mussolini refers to Ali as "Clay" because hes stuck in 1967 you havent been reading his posts too closely. He didnt live through these times. He wasnt there. He doesnt know what he is talking about.

He carries a grudge against Ali for some reason and uses "Clay" as a snyde, cute little insult, just like his posts are thinly veiled attempts at tarnishing more established fighters in the guise of publicizing lesser known fighters or events.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:14 AM   #62
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:22 PM   #63
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As someone who changed their name, I can appreciate a dissociative feeling with your birth name, and I think people should respect that.

However, respect is a two-way street. I never asked anyone who previously knew my real name to change over, and I wouldnt dare ask my family to acknowledge the change.

I dont think Clay ever appreciated that.

It seems that Muhammad did n't so much mind being called Cassius Clay after he changed his name,but it was more of whether there was an agenda behind it. If someone called him, or refered to him,as Cassius he'd be okay with it as long as it was spontaneous,but woe betide anyone who used the name Clay as provocation. Or if Ali SAW it as provocation.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:30 PM   #64
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Didnt he ask his family to acknowledge Ali as a name?

That is not showing the same respect you're asking for, IMO.

His brother,Rudy,changed his name too. He got into the Nation of Islam before Cassius/Muhammad did. His mum never commited herself in print too much. And his dad said that he would n't only keep the Clay name but that he would "capitalise on it"
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