Dana going off on one!!! LOL

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Hooch

I became an MMA fan because of the stacked cards and in turn being sick of shitty cynical boxing cards, staying up all night for a garbage undercard only to have the main event be a massive anti climax, happens time and again.

The only reason the UFC can put these stacked cards on is by leveling the field and not paying silly money to main event fighters. Boxing is actually starting to take this route as shown by many Golden Boy/Top Rank shows now having more than 2 watchable fights, this alone proves White and the UFC have it spot on.

AS soon as fighters like Jones start dictating to the promotion the whole thing will fall like a deck of cards. We need to think outside the box here people.

The top fighters in the UFC will surely make more by towing the line, leaving the massive promotional machine that is the UFC to put you're name out there leaving you as a fighter open to all sorts of extra bonus dollar and notoriety.

eg does Dana White get any of Jones' Nike money?? does he see any of GSP's energy drink cash?? how about Rampage's A team royalties??

Just because Dana White sounds like a red kneck with a headache sometimes does not mean he is not right at least 99% of the time. His vision for the UFC has been nothing short of genius and the company is only half of what it could be, I for one will be devastated if it is stopped from being the world wide success it could be.

Wishing for more power to the fighter may sound all nice and PC but be careful what you wish for, look how much Paq and Floyd get payed to avoid each other when a person like big bad Dana ain't around keeping things in check.

Haggis Mac is right my brothers.

I would like someone to explain to me how it would have been better for the fans, the UFC or the sport in general if Dana had paid Chael $20 million and Anderson $25 million to fight.

Both guys earned multi-million dollar paydays anyway. But since Dana is apparently ripping everyone off, I wonder how much they should have been paid. Would $40 million between the two of them have been enough? And would that have been in the best interests of the sport or the fans?

And the same with a guy like Nam Phan, who has a small fan following but who is only just good enough to justify a place in the UFC. How much should he be getting paid? He's a company man who has been around for awhile. Should Dana be paying Nam Phan and everyone like him a million dollars per year? $150k per fight? How much is enough?

Personally, I think the substantial performance bonuses are great. You want an extra $40k (after taxes) in your pocket? Give your absolute best effort when you step into the cage. Make your fight stand out on the card. Make the fans roar in appreciation of your performance, and you'll be rewarded for going above and beyond.

[TheDarkLord]

Originally Posted by afonso_alves

with Jones and Jackson


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Its all scripted boys..its like the wwf all over again.

Cant believe people buy into this sh*t

[Atlanta2]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

You tune in to what? Primetime live MMA on the Fox network? PPV cards that are easy to buy at home, or are showing at sports bars all over the city? If not for what Dana and Zuffa have done, you're basically not watching MMA at all. If you are, it's tiny shows with zero media coverage or relevance in the sporting world. Or it's imported shows from overseas a couple of times per year.

Irrelevant. Nobody tunes in to see Dana White when they pay for an MMA PPV or watch it on TV. Nobody, except maybe you.

You're bitching because he wants to make money?

Quite the opposite, he can make as much money as he pleases and i encourage him to do so. Just don't be upset when someone else who is also a business man with their interests negotiate from that position.

He can't make shitloads of money while trying to grow the sport for the long-term?

Yes he can.

I'm not a fan of EVERYTHING that Zuffa has done.

But I respect that MMA in the West was totally irrelevant and effectively extinct when Zuffa came along. Now, it's in the mainstream. Fight cards are advertised during NFL games. The SPORT has crossed over now, and created opportunities for MMA fighters and promotors all over the world. That is becuase of Zuffa and the UFC.

Super. Doesn't change the fact that Jon Jones, nor any MMA fighter, owes one bit of reverence to Dana White nor should take a haircut for the UFC in demanding every penny the market declares they are worth. Do you think for one second Dana White would deal with the 'evil' of Jones and Jackson if he thought he wasn't making money on the arrangement? He's just upset that he isn't making even more.

Wind the clock back a mere 10 years. Look at the state of MMA. Totally irrelevant. Nobody gave a shit. UFC40 featured Ken vs Tito, plus a Liddell fight AND Matt Hughes defending his title. It was the biggest and most successful MMA event ever held on American soil up to that point, by FAR. And it sold as many PPVs as Wanderlei vs Franklin, the weakest card in years.

Once again, irrelevant.

You call yourself a Western MMA fan, but you shit all over Dana and Zuffa and have nothing positive to say about what they have done for the sport? Time to grow up, eh?

No, I don't participate in hero worship like you. He's a business man and made a business decision. He gets as much praise from me as any other successful business person. He saw a opportunity to make money and he capitalized.

He sure as hell tries to give the fans the fights they want to see.

No, he gives what he thinks will make him money. If another promotion was to rocket up the relevancy ladder with a young Light heavyweight champion who's blasting guys out like Jon Jones, do you think he would entertain a Co-Promotion to make that fight even if its what the fans wanted? No he wouldn't because it would not make him as much money on a deal that he desired.

And yeah, Jones vs Hendo was a weak card. But it's worth remembering that Ellenberger-Koscheck was supposed to be the main undercard fight, which is not a bad supporting fight. Dana can't help it if guys get injured, and it'll happen more often with Zuffa. Because, unlike every other MMA org ever, they cover medical costs for their fighters. And maybe something could have been done with the main event, if Hendo hadn't been so secretive about his injury until the last possible second.

That's great that they cover medical expenses. Doesn't change one thing about the issue of the canceled card. Dana White wanted Jon Jones to take a haircut to carry his piss poor fight card and he wanted him to get essentially jumped by having to fight Sonnen who knew well before Jones did that Hendo was not going to fight and was training.

Sure, that sounds great.

Instead of spending big money on international flights and hotels for dozens of people so that they can host an event in Sweden or Sydney and give a new audience the chance to see and feel involved in big-time MMA,

If Dana wants to grow the UFC in that manner. More power to him. But make it worth Jon Jones' business instead of expecting charity via taking a financial haircut on what he should be earning.

let's give Jon Jones $25 million to have him fight in Vegas once a year.

If he's expected to do the most work by carrying entire cards by himself, then he deserves to make the most money.

Let's turn all the champions into spoiled multi-multi-millionaires who pick and choose their fights and do whatever they want, like it is in boxing.

Yes spoiled because for taking punches and kicks to the head, they want to make as much money as possible for trading brain cells for cash. Finances dictates who faces who in the UFC, just like in boxing.

Let's make sure that EVERY employee of the UFC earns $150k plus. Let's pay the totally interchangeable journeymen undercard guys $50k for a fight.

Now you are talking to yourself I don't give a shit about if someone earns a $5K per fight minimum or $5M. They, the fighters, should be businessmen and earn as much per fight as the market dictates just like the UFC tries to make off of them. If Anderson Silva is worth $10M a fight, he should earn $10M a fight.

Instead of investing in new markets and spending money trying to grow the sport internationally, let's stay at home in Vegas for every event. More money to give the fighters that way, you see.

No. There are plenty of boxers that fight in Europe because they can earn more there, same in Australia, I would imagine. If Dana White really cares about growing the brand why should Jon Jones take a haircut on the issue? Why can't Dana, he and the Mafia bros own the company and therefore have the most to gain 10, 20, and 30 years down the road, none of the fighters around today have any benefit of those gains coming to fruition and therefore should not consider taking the haircut. If Dana White wants him to take haircuts for the long term growth of the UFC make him party to the long term growth by making him a co-owner of the UFC/Zuffa.

How much should Jon Jones be earning?

As much as he possibly can.

He's a 25 year old multi-millionaire who competes in a sport that essentially didn't exist ten years ago.

No it existed and was doing okay in Japan, not as well as now but he would have had a market to go to if he so chose.

And two years ago, nobody knew who the fuck Jon Jones was.

So. Its now, not 2 years ago.

Now, because of the UFC,

So it was Dana white that hopped in the ring and broke Brandon Vera's face, turned Matyushenko's head into a basketball, dominated Bader, and then ran over the top 5 fighters in the division like they were tissue paper. All Dana White's doing right? no Jones got to where he was because of Jones. The UFC allowed him to perform because they saw talent and realized it would be good for their financial well being to have young blood in the sport. He's delivered on his end of the bargain. If he wasn't what the UFC wanted he would have been cut or he would be fodder for another up and comer like Vera is.

he's a multi-millionaire who has an international endorsement deal with Nike. Just like Federer and Tiger. That's not enough? He needs more or Zuffa is somehow ripping him off?

So rich people can't get ripped off? No it isn't enough. Jones is in the business of getting hit in the head, if he thinks he can earn a nickel more for his services he should get that nickel if the market agrees. And judging by the fact Dana didn't cut him, is the case that Zuffa is blowing a lot of smoke.

Who owes more to the other - Jon Jones or the UFC? Who needed who more? Dana can and did make money without Jon Jones. How rich is Jon Jones, without Zuffa to put him in front of the people?

Neither one owes the other anything other than what the maximum they can get out of each other. If Jon Jones doesn't sell do you think for one second the UFC would give a shit about cutting him? He could be the nicest guy in the world and suck up to Dana from now to the day he dies and Dana White would cut him if he didn't make the UFC money and Jon Jones should be willing to leave the UFC by some mismanagement they stop being lucrative venture.

Forgive me if I don't feel too sorry for Jon Jones when he moans about how hard-done by he is.

Don't really care if you do.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

Irrelevant. Nobody tunes in to see Dana White when they pay for an MMA PPV or watch it on TV. Nobody, except maybe you.

Quite the opposite, he can make as much money as he pleases and i encourage him to do so. Just don't be upset when someone else who is also a business man with their interests negotiate from that position.

Yes he can.

Super. Doesn't change the fact that Jon Jones, nor any MMA fighter, owes one bit of reverence to Dana White nor should take a haircut for the UFC in demanding every penny the market declares they are worth. Do you think for one second Dana White would deal with the 'evil' of Jones and Jackson if he thought he wasn't making money on the arrangement? He's just upset that he isn't making even more.

Once again, irrelevant.

No, I don't participate in hero worship like you. He's a business man and made a business decision. He gets as much praise from me as any other successful business person. He saw a opportunity to make money and he capitalized.

No, he gives what he thinks will make him money. If another promotion was to rocket up the relevancy ladder with a young Light heavyweight champion who's blasting guys out like Jon Jones, do you think he would entertain a Co-Promotion to make that fight even if its what the fans wanted? No he wouldn't because it would not make him as much money on a deal that he desired.


That's great that they cover medical expenses. Doesn't change one thing about the issue of the canceled card. Dana White wanted Jon Jones to take a haircut to carry his piss poor fight card and he wanted him to get essentially jumped by having to fight Sonnen who knew well before Jones did that Hendo was not going to fight and was training.

If Dana wants to grow the UFC in that manner. More power to him. But make it worth Jon Jones' business instead of expecting charity via taking a financial haircut on what he should be earning.

If he's expected to do the most work by carrying entire cards by himself, then he deserves to make the most money.

Yes spoiled because for taking punches and kicks to the head, they want to make as much money as possible for trading brain cells for cash. Finances dictates who faces who in the UFC, just like in boxing.

Now you are talking to yourself I don't give a shit about if someone earns a $5K per fight minimum or $5M. They, the fighters, should be businessmen and earn as much per fight as the market dictates just like the UFC tries to make off of them. If Anderson Silva is worth $10M a fight, he should earn $10M a fight.

No. There are plenty of boxers that fight in Europe because they can earn more there, same in Australia, I would imagine. If Dana White really cares about growing the brand why should Jon Jones take a haircut on the issue? Why can't Dana, he and the Mafia bros own the company and therefore have the most to gain 10, 20, and 30 years down the road, none of the fighters around today have any benefit of those gains coming to fruition and therefore should not consider taking the haircut. If Dana White wants him to take haircuts for the long term growth of the UFC make him party to the long term growth by making him a co-owner of the UFC/Zuffa.


As much as he possibly can.
No it existed and was doing okay in Japan, not as well as now but he would have had a market to go to if he so chose.


So. Its now, not 2 years ago.


So it was Dana white that hopped in the ring and broke Brandon Vera's face, turned Matyushenko's head into a basketball, dominated Bader, and then ran over the top 5 fighters in the division like they were tissue paper. All Dana White's doing right? no Jones got to where he was because of Jones. The UFC allowed him to perform because they saw talent and realized it would be good for their financial well being to have young blood in the sport. He's delivered on his end of the bargain. If he wasn't what the UFC wanted he would have been cut or he would be fodder for another up and comer like Vera is.

So rich people can't get ripped off? No it isn't enough. Jones is in the business of getting hit in the head, if he thinks he can earn a nickel more for his services he should get that nickel if the market agrees. And judging by the fact Dana didn't cut him, is the case that Zuffa is blowing a lot of smoke.



Neither one owes the other anything other than what the maximum they can get out of each other. If Jon Jones doesn't sell do you think for one second the UFC would give a shit about cutting him? He could be the nicest guy in the world and suck up to Dana from now to the day he dies and Dana White would cut him if he didn't make the UFC money and Jon Jones should be willing to leave the UFC by some mismanagement they stop being lucrative venture.


Don't really care if you do.

Owned by a noob.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

Irrelevant. Nobody tunes in to see Dana White when they pay for an MMA PPV or watch it on TV. Nobody, except maybe you.

The product was there before Jon Jones. He didn't build it and it'll be there after he's gone. Jon Jones makes his money off the UFC, not the other way around. The brand is more important than the individual fighter. That's part of boxing's problem - the individual PPV star fighter holds ALL the cards, and the sport is strangled because of it.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

Super. Doesn't change the fact that Jon Jones, nor any MMA fighter, owes one bit of reverence to Dana White nor should take a haircut for the UFC in demanding every penny the market declares they are worth. Do you think for one second Dana White would deal with the 'evil' of Jones and Jackson if he thought he wasn't making money on the arrangement? He's just upset that he isn't making even more.

Sure, Jones has nothing to respect or appreciate Dana White for. He owes Dana nothing. It's not like the guy essentially built the sport that Jon Jones has made millions off. I'm sure that without Dana, Jones would still be a multi-millionaire professional fighter with a Nike deal. Dana was such a minor, irrelevant figure in Jones' rise to riches and stardom.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

No, I don't participate in hero worship like you. He's a business man and made a business decision. He gets as much praise from me as any other successful business person. He saw a opportunity to make money and he capitalized.

Dana has certainly made serious missteps, and not just one or two of them. But his approach has been WILDLY successful, to the extent that objectively, he might be the most successful combat sports promotor in history. Yet all you ever hear from the "experts" on this forum is how stupid and evil and destructive he is, and how he's running the sport into the ground, and how he needs to change everything that's gotten the UFC to this point.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

No, he gives what he thinks will make him money. If another promotion was to rocket up the relevancy ladder with a young Light heavyweight champion who's blasting guys out like Jon Jones, do you think he would entertain a Co-Promotion to make that fight even if its what the fans wanted? No he wouldn't because it would not make him as much money on a deal that he desired.

He'll try to get the new guy into the UFC, so he can fight all Dana's guys.

You prefer constant co-promotion negotiations for one-off fights?

So we can get even more Pac-Floyd situations, or have Fedor not fight in the biggest tent because M1 won't let him?

You can shit on Dana for not wanting to co-promote with regional companies looking to cash out on one guy. I'd rather all the best guys be dealing with the same matchmaker and fighting each other on the regular.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

That's great that they cover medical expenses. Doesn't change one thing about the issue of the canceled card. Dana White wanted Jon Jones to take a haircut to carry his piss poor fight card and he wanted him to get essentially jumped by having to fight Sonnen who knew well before Jones did that Hendo was not going to fight and was training.

The card was weak, but also was hit by bad luck. Any card is gutted if its top two fights fall through.

I don't think that Jones NEEDED to fight, and if I were him then I wouldn't give in either. I think it was a shitty, low-class move by Hendo to keep his injury secret from his bosses and try to manipulate his training partner into an undeserved title-shot ambush.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

If Dana wants to grow the UFC in that manner. More power to him. But make it worth Jon Jones' business instead of expecting charity via taking a financial haircut on what he should be earning.

How the fuck do you know what he "should" be earning?

Do you know what it costs to run the events, provide the medical coverage, pay everyone's wages and travel costs, and all the rest of it? No.

Do you know how much Jones pockets for his troubles? No.

So how can you take it as a FACT that Jon Jones is getting underpaid?

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

If he's expected to do the most work by carrying entire cards by himself, then he deserves to make the most money.

Is he really doing the most work?

Is he putting in the most hours, or dealing with the most problems?

And remember, Jones wasn't "singlehandedly" carrying the card. They had a main event that everyone had been looking forward to for months, plus a solid Ellenberger-Koscheck main undercard fight. After the two main fights fell through with less than 3 weeks remaining, yeah Jones is left holding the bag. That's bad luck. In the PRIDE days, he would have fought regardless. In the UFC, he has the financial freedom to make his own decision according to what he feels is right for him.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

Yes spoiled because for taking punches and kicks to the head, they want to make as much money as possible for trading brain cells for cash. Finances dictates who faces who in the UFC, just like in boxing.

These guys were getting punched and kicked for free, just for the challenge and love of it, for many years before anybody paid them a dollar for it. All of them were. They WANT to get kicked in the head, it's not a torture or a punishment for them. They want to be there because they love to fight. They love the competition and they love the attention. Other men have other dangerous hobbies that nobody pays them to risk their health doing. Quit trying to make it sound like being a pro fighter is a noble, selfless calling.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

Now you are talking to yourself I don't give a shit about if someone earns a $5K per fight minimum or $5M. They, the fighters, should be businessmen and earn as much per fight as the market dictates just like the UFC tries to make off of them. If Anderson Silva is worth $10M a fight, he should earn $10M a fight.

So the fighters should gobble up ALL the money on the table?

What about money for growing the sport? Developing new markets? Putting on shows in different continents? Advertising the product?

When the UFC spends money to make "TUF Australia vs England", would it have been better if the money they spent on that series had flown into the pockets of half-a-dozen PPV headliners, like it would in boxing? Because the bigger the % that goes into the fighter's products, the fewer options the UFC has for growing the sport.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

No. There are plenty of boxers that fight in Europe because they can earn more there, same in Australia, I would imagine. If Dana White really cares about growing the brand why should Jon Jones take a haircut on the issue? Why can't Dana, he and the Mafia bros own the company and therefore have the most to gain 10, 20, and 30 years down the road, none of the fighters around today have any benefit of those gains coming to fruition and therefore should not consider taking the haircut. If Dana White wants him to take haircuts for the long term growth of the UFC make him party to the long term growth by making him a co-owner of the UFC/Zuffa.

Now every PPV headliner has to own a piece of the UFC before you're happy?

Just like how Tom Brady is a co-owner of the Patriots, right?

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

As much as he possibly can.
No it existed and was doing okay in Japan, not as well as now but he would have had a market to go to if he so chose.

Come on now.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

So it was Dana white that hopped in the ring and broke Brandon Vera's face, turned Matyushenko's head into a basketball, dominated Bader, and then ran over the top 5 fighters in the division like they were tissue paper. All Dana White's doing right? no Jones got to where he was because of Jones. The UFC allowed him to perform because they saw talent and realized it would be good for their financial well being to have young blood in the sport. He's delivered on his end of the bargain. If he wasn't what the UFC wanted he would have been cut or he would be fodder for another up and comer like Vera is.

Take away Jon Jones, and Dana White is still making money.

Take away the UFC, and Jon Jones does not have an international Nike endorsement. Simple as that. Jones owes his financial fortune to the UFC, because without them he wouldn't have the platform to show his MMA skills.

Originally Posted by Atlanta2

So rich people can't get ripped off? No it isn't enough. Jones is in the business of getting hit in the head, if he thinks he can earn a nickel more for his services he should get that nickel if the market agrees. And judging by the fact Dana didn't cut him, is the case that Zuffa is blowing a lot of smoke.

He has plenty of nickels, and many more of them to come.

You can cheer for a main event where the UFC has to shell out $50 million to get two signatures on a piece of paper for one fight. It's worked out great in boxing, after all.

I would rather see the top guys become multi-millionaires, the mid-tier guys earn a good living, and the journeymen make a living wage.

[Atlanta2]

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I will save you Dana!!!!

[Stoo]

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Stoo

[Joe.Boxer]

Are they serious with those photos

[TheDarkLord]

Originally Posted by Thom

Only Dana gets to be a business man. The fighters and their representatives should do what they're told to by Zuffa and keep their mouths shut no matter how ridiculous Zuffa's demands are (e.g. them trying to force Shogun to fight Jones at UFC 152 when he was still on medical suspension and wouldn't even be cleared to start training until a week before the fight). Let's ignore the fact that Zuffa only cares about the bottom line and will exile any of these guys to minor league promotions in second if they want to.

I'm so sick of this guy and his fucking fake tough guy shtick and the MMA sheeple who buy into it. I can't believe that there are bunch of so-called fight fans foaming at the mouth about a fucking trainer day in and day out on message boards because Dana keeps popping off about him in the media.

They promote this loudmouthed cunt more than their actual fighters.

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Shit like this is why Zuffa is failing. No wonder they've lost half their audience in the past two years.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha ahahahaha fucking nobs!