If Alan Rudkin had beaten Fighting Harada...

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Mr Butt

although i agree rudkin did beat rose it was a close fight and not really a robbery more of a polite pick pocket. graham vs mccallum was bloody close too and could of been a graham win without to much sreaming robbery either

The way the decision went was no robbery (check out my article) BUT the fact one of the cards was 15-0 shows Rudders had no chance!

[Mr Butt]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

The way the decision went was no robbery (check out my article) BUT the fact one of the cards was 15-0 shows Rudders had no chance!

only responded to your post that had the word robbed in it and if you go away from home say to Germany today then you expect the home judge to be biased so some things never change in boxing but then everybody knows that is the score and has been always the case in boxing even back to the days when fighters took their own refs around with them. but i do agree that 15 to 0 is awful scoring be interesting to know how many fights that judge was given at world level after that fight

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by babaluma

...in his first title challenge how would his reign have turned out? Would he have won or lost a rematch with Harada or would Harada have gone up to Featherweight? Would he have fought Walter McGowan for the title? Would he have kept the title against tough challengers like Caraballo or Medel? Would he have defeated Rose as champion with home advantage?

And where would his place in UK boxing history be if he had won and held the title for a few defences against this level of opposition?

I always felt Rudkin is a perfect example of a fighter who these days would be a champion but due to the strength of the era in which he fought with only one world title (as it should be!) was unfortunately relegated to just being a very very good contender.

Excellent fighter who was around in a great era .Good enough to be a world champion, but in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[AlFrancis]

Great thread! I'll sit down later and put something together, a bit of background information.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by Tin_Ribs

Flea, I'll nick our kid's i-phone next I see him and have a butchers at that article. Look forward to it actually.

Agree that Rudkin would probably be a bit better suited to pinning Sakurai down going on his style and the success he had with types like Rose, McGowan, Caldwell etc. Good fight, that one - Sakurai was neat and really well honed. Rudkin had a couple of slips post-Olivares against Revie and Senin too, who were both lefties. He was pretty worn though by that time, and Senin in particular was meant to be a really good fighter. Remember Al saying that the old fella spoke quite highly of Senin, who I think retired to enter a monastery or something.

@ babaluma , I agree (again) with Flea that Rudkin was a notch above Graham, though I like Herol (who's a nice bloke). The wins over Caldwell, Ben Ali, McGowan (twice really), Esparza and the Rose fight nail it for me just about. I think I like Rudkin's effort vs Harada over Graham's McCallum effort too. Harada was greater than McCallum imo and at his peak, plus Rudkin was at a slight stylistic disadvantage and had to go to Tokyo to boot. Herol was cool though, best bodyslammer I've ever seen.

Flea, could you see Rose doing better against Olivares if he hadn't been a weight drained husk, even if he wasn't able to actually turn Olivares over? Massive, massive bantam, which like you said was never a problem for Rudkin.

u have gone 2 far , exposed yourself as n idiot that does not understand what he is crapping about .

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

u have gone 2 far , exposed yourself as n idiot that does not understand what he is crapping about .

Everyone thinks that about you every time you post. Your opinion is not valued. Why do you continue to post here?

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Everyone thinks that about you every time you post. Your opinion is not valued. Why do you continue to post here?

i had a feeling that d insecure tiny little ***** will reply 2 this

Kalambay domin8ed McCallum . did he not , Fem ?

[Flea Man]

Yes he did. What the **** has that got to do with anything?

And *****? I've asked you to meet up with me a few times. So f'n bring it you soft cunt you'll get shanked.

[frankenfrank]

I have never seen a profound domination like what Kalambay did 2 McCallum , will never 4get that survival clinic that he put .

Poor Mike could rarely make a fight out of it .



I already in4med u about me not being able 2 leave d place where i m at in d near future , but if i will ever have d realistic opportunity of helping u realise a part of your fantasy , i will remember your wish , Fem , and will try 2 help u with it .

[Flea Man]

Thanks 'frank

[frankenfrank]

I share some of your desires Fem , but in4m me if u take it on d road , it might help us make a dream come true .

[Flea Man]

Where abouts would I need to go? I imagine you can't leave because A. You're in a padded cell or B. Your passport has been denied as you're a *** offender.

[frankenfrank]

big problem would b 2 keep that big secret between us , i really think it will b hard 2 disguise .

convince me that u have d resources 2 take it on d road 1st , if u do , u make part of your wish come true .

Might b a bit cheaper than u believe , but i still go2know that u have what it takes .

If u go2thailand , u can ge2where imat , but ru willing 2 ? and how will we keep our secret a secret ? it may b quite a thick 1 2 hide .

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

u have gone 2 far , exposed yourself as n idiot that does not understand what he is crapping about .

You seem to make a habit of ****ing good threads up.
.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by mcvey

You seem to make a habit of ****ing good threads up.
.

1) not a good thread
2) did not mean 2 ruin it anyway
3) and because i quoted a post and marked and replied about its most idiotic part i ruined d thread ?

and 2 Fem : there is no way that it will b able 2b kept as a secret between us , at least i know what i mean .