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Old 10-06-2012, 01:51 PM   #61
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Quarry is not in the hall of fame, and Liston had less left in the 70's in comparison to Foreman and Holmes in the 1990's.


Without doing research into every decade, I think the 90's is holds the record for 8 active hall of fame heavyweights. Every era has flaws.


Not all the top talent fought each other in the 70's. We never saw Frazier vs Norton or Lyle. We never say Foreman vs. Quarry, or Foreman vs. Holmes. ( Some say Foreman didn't want the match with Quarry ). We never saw Liston vs anyone great in the 70's.
Quarry is not in the IBHOF, but he is on WBHOF. The reason we never saw Liston vs anyone great in the 70's is because he actually died in 1970, and was at least 38 years old.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:57 PM   #62
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There needs to either be a poll with this thread or someone start a thread with which era was better.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:47 AM   #63
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Yeah as I mentioned, I wasn't certain if either Norton and Quarry had ever made the HOF, but they were still great fighters.
Maybe it's arguing semantics, but I really think Quarry should not be qualified as a great fighter. He was completely outgunned - mentally and physically - when he stepped up against great opposition. Did he even manage to win a single round in 4 fights against Ali & Frazier?).

How can someone be great if he wasn't even champion? Some will say that he would've been champion if Ali/Frazier weren't around, but why? He basically went even with an over-the-hill Patterson, who is widely regarded as one of the weakest (lineal) champions ever. This is not even considering losses to Ellis and Chuvalo. He's an excellent contender, but I wouldn't call him first-tier or great.

Norton has a better case as he at least beat first-tier opposition. Still, other than Ali his resume isn't all that either. He's got a razor thin win over Young, beat an older Quarry, other than that...? Olympian Bobick? This is weighed against devastating knockout losses.

They did fight in the most popular era of heavyweights, against even more popular names.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:24 AM   #64
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There needs to either be a poll with this thread or someone start a thread with which era was better.

Good idea,Devon. It shall be done !
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:46 AM   #65
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Maybe it's arguing semantics, but I really think Quarry should not be qualified as a great fighter. He was completely outgunned - mentally and physically - when he stepped up against great opposition. Did he even manage to win a single round in 4 fights against Ali & Frazier?).

How can someone be great if he wasn't even champion? Some will say that he would've been champion if Ali/Frazier weren't around, but why? He basically went even with an over-the-hill Patterson, who is widely regarded as one of the weakest (lineal) champions ever. This is not even considering losses to Ellis and Chuvalo. He's an excellent contender, but I wouldn't call him first-tier or great.

Norton has a better case as he at least beat first-tier opposition. Still, other than Ali his resume isn't all that either. He's got a razor thin win over Young, beat an older Quarry, other than that...? Olympian Bobick? This is weighed against devastating knockout losses.

They did fight in the most popular era of heavyweights, against even more popular names.

Yeah I suppose you're right. Greatness is getting a tad carried away when describing Jerry Quarry I'll admit. but like you said, he was an "excellent" contender. I'll stick with that.
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