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Old 10-07-2012, 08:50 AM   #16
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And when did he do that exactly? After he pulled out of the King deal?
After he entered into that deal with Sky and only fought nobodies?

I don't know, I was just posting up Eubank's take on it
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I don't know, I was just posting up Eubank's take on it
Eubank is lying. Sky gave him a massive deal and allowed him to chose his own opponents and look who he chose. They wanted Toney, but Eubank was never going to make that fight, said so himself.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:54 AM   #18
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????????
Is that the reason why the fights I never highlighted all took place at lhw-cw?
They all took place when James Toney was IBF super-middleweight champion, did they not?

Imagine the outrage if Andre Ward did this in his next 10 fights.

James Toney has shamed the sport of boxing in so many ways.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:56 AM   #19
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They all took place when James Toney was IBF super-middleweight champion, did they not?
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They all took place at lhw-cw catchweights, which is why his ibf smw belt was never on the line. Toney only 5 title fights at smw:
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Eubank is lying. Sky gave him a massive deal and allowed him to chose his own opponents and look who he chose. They wanted Toney, but Eubank was never going to make that fight, said so himself.

Whilst he had some terrible defences, he did make the big domestic fights and stepped in with some of the best fighters at the time

However, when Eubank could make 1m per defence to fight nobodies, I don't blame him for not facing the likes of Nunn and Toney!
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They all took place at lhw-cw catchweights, which is why his ibf smw belt was never on the line. Toney only 5 title fights at smw:
barkley
Thornton
littles
williams
Jones
They all took place whilst toney was IBF 168 champ. quit crying about it, quit splitting hairs, and stop trying to defend the indefencible. you know and i know that what Toney did was a bloody disgrace.

Focus your time and energy on debating elsewhere because you can never change these facts.
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Whilst he had some terrible defences, he did make the big domestic fights and stepped in with some of the best fighters at the time
He did face some of the best British fighters, but none of the best world class fighters
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However, when Eubank could make 1m per defence to fight nobodies, I don't blame him for not facing the likes of Nunn and Toney!

He was a business man more than a fighter
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They all took place whilst toney was IBF 168 champ. quit crying about it, quit splitting hairs, and stop trying to defend the indefencible. you know and i know that what Toney did was a bloody disgrace.

Focus your time and energy on debating elsewhere because you can never change these facts.
?????????
What are you going on about?
So all of a sudden his not that guy who fought Nunn and Mccallum because he faced a bunch of nobodies during keep busy fights. The fact that he never forced HBO to buy those fights or used them to rack up title defenses speaks for itself.

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McCallum put on a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] clinic as he dominated the fight. McCallum then avenged his only defeat to Sumbu Kalambay and seeked a unification clash with the young and brash, Chris Eubank, but Eubank responded by saying "What would he bring?" A reporter then mentioned, "Danger,” but it seemed danger wasn't on Eubank's agenda. McCallun then looked for a unification clash with the young and talented James Toney.
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Nigel Benn said "Roy Jones can beat the crap out of my head all he likes, but I'm not letting Mike McCallum snatch my body!". Roy Jones Jr. might have said it best saying "Ray Leonard had a lot of glamour, but he didn't have the skills of Mike McCallum.”
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He did face some of the best British fighters, but none of the best world class fighters


He was a business man more than a fighter

Yeah that's fair, though he did face world class fighter in those big domestic match ups.

On the topic of Toney v Benn & Eubank, I think Toney would have TKO'd Benn in the later rounds. Toney-Eubank would have been a close fight, with neither man wanting to lead I think Eubank's movement would have given Toney fits, it comes down to who would land the better punches the exchanges
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?????????
What are you going on about?
So all of a sudden his not that guy who fought Nunn and Mccallum because he faced a bunch of nobodies during keep busy fights. The fact that he never forced HBO to buy those fights or used them to rack up title defenses speaks for itself.

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It was self explanatory, why are you trying to split hairs? Don't let those facts spoil you day zod because there is nothing you can type that will change those facts that are set in stone.

Whilst Toney was IBF 168 champion, his level of competition disgraced the sport of boxing.
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It was self explanatory, why are you trying to split hairs? Don't let those facts spoil you day zod because there is nothing you can type that will change those facts that are set in stone.

Whilst Toney was IBF 168 champion, his level of competition disgraced the sport of boxing.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one
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It was self explanatory, why are you trying to split hairs? Don't let those facts spoil you day zod because there is nothing you can type that will change those facts that are set in stone.

Whilst Toney was IBF 168 champion, his level of competition disgraced the sport of boxing.
He got in the Ring with Roy Jones at 168 didn't he?

Not what i call disgraceful competition.

It was obvious by the video, he was trying to get fights with Benn and Eubank as well.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:15 AM   #28
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Yeah that's fair, though he did face world class fighter in those big domestic match ups.
I would place Watson around champion level with the likes of Woods, Graciano and Glen Johnson.

Never really been sold on Collins. He basically came along at the right time. Eubank had no business losing to that guy twice.

Eubank slipped a level himself when he moved up to smw and became a lazy fighter
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On the topic of Toney v Benn & Eubank, I think Toney would have TKO'd Benn in the later rounds.
Terrible match up for Benn. That fight has Toney-Barkley 2.0 written on it. I agree that Benn gets stopped late

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Toney-Eubank would have been a close fight, with neither man wanting to lead I think Eubank's movement would have given Toney fits, it comes down to who would land the better punches the exchanges
Toney was a step above anyone the Eubank had ever faced. He was the better counterpuncher and he was better at fighting off the front foot than Eubank, who tended to look awkward and off balance at times.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:22 AM   #29
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@ the blatant ducking by Benn and Eubank.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:26 AM   #30
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@ EuBUM and hasBENN waiting til the host says we're almost out of time to start talking back. Such blatant ducking of THE Super Middleweight Champ James "Lights Out" Toney
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