Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated?

hofbrau · 10-07-2012, 04:06 PM

An undefeated record in boxing is undoubtedly impressive ... but it can also be misleading.*Rocky Marciano*and*Joe Calzaghe*are two of the few modern fighters who retired having won every single fight of their professional career. Both are Hall of Famers with wins over Hall of Fame caliber fighters on their resumes ... but both Marciano and Calzaghe scored their biggest wins against stars who were well past their primes.

Slothrop · 10-07-2012, 04:10 PM

Highly overrated

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Trail · 10-07-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hofbrau

An undefeated record in boxing is undoubtedly impressive ... but it can also be misleading.*Rocky Marciano*and*Joe Calzaghe*are two of the few modern fighters who retired having won every single fight of their professional career. Both are Hall of Famers with wins over Hall of Fame caliber fighters on their resumes ... but both Marciano and Calzaghe scored their biggest wins against stars who were well past their primes.

Depends on caliber of opponent/whether or not opponent was in prime. You can't argue against Mayweather, and no, I'm not a May fan. All he has to do is beat Pac and he's a solid lock for superstardom ten times he has now...and before we go any further, don't give me any arguments Castillo beat Mayweather, he didn't on paper, and he didn't in anyone's head.

Elliot · 10-07-2012, 04:12 PM

Depends who they have faced, but 29-0 looks better than 29-1.

Jacquot · 10-07-2012, 04:12 PM

Overrated

bballchump11 · 10-07-2012, 05:09 PM

of course it's impressive. You'd think it was too if you didn't hate Floyd.

SRL is a great fighter, but imagine if he never lost to Duran and retired after the third Duran dight and never came back to lose to Norris and Camacho.
He would have retired 37-0-1 with wins over the same people.

Is that more impressive or not?

Mrtibbs · 10-07-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bballchump11

of course it's impressive. You'd think it was too if you didn't hate Floyd.

SRL is a great fighter, but imagine if he never lost to Duran and retired after the third Duran dight and never came back to lose to Norris and Camacho.
He would have retired 37-0-1 with wins over the same people.

Is that more impressive or not?

Exactly.

Fellonblackdays · 10-07-2012, 05:26 PM

Another cool thing to hate these days. People with a record with no blemishes...

KidDynamite · 10-07-2012, 05:26 PM

Calzaghe is undefeated which is a joke

AliShuffle · 10-07-2012, 05:31 PM

Whichever way you want to look at it, getting in the ring 46 times and winning 46 times is impressive.

Nonito Smoak · 10-07-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bballchump11

of course it's impressive. You'd think it was too if you didn't hate Floyd.

SRL is a great fighter, but imagine if he never lost to Duran and retired after the third Duran dight and never came back to lose to Norris and Camacho.
He would have retired 37-0-1 with wins over the same people.

Is that more impressive or not?

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Outboxer · 10-07-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bballchump11

of course it's impressive. You'd think it was too if you didn't hate Floyd.

SRL is a great fighter, but imagine if he never lost to Duran and retired after the third Duran dight and never came back to lose to Norris and Camacho.
He would have retired 37-0-1 with wins over the same people.

Is that more impressive or not?

Leonard has fantastic names on his record, though. If he'd only fought B level fighters his legacy wouldn't be half of what it is now, even if he was undefeated.

The names are more important than the zero.

Garrus · 10-07-2012, 06:20 PM

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The names are more important than the zero.

Imperial1 · 10-07-2012, 06:23 PM

Highly overratted in this day and age .. I mean you got Floyd who not only cherry picks but fights once a year ..

Joe Calzaghe spent 10 yrs beating guys that weren't on his level .

Do I really need to say anything else ?

kwilson71 · 10-07-2012, 06:24 PM

a little bit of both.

Of course its impressive, you never lost. whats not impressive about that.

But in some cases it can be overrated. Because just because we have never seen Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Mayweather, or atgs like Marciano actually lose, doesn't mean they cant.

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hofbrau Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,208 vCash: 500	Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? An undefeated record in boxing is undoubtedly impressive ... but it can also be misleading.Rocky MarcianoandJoe Calzagheare two of the few modern fighters who retired having won every single fight of their professional career. Both are Hall of Famers with wins over Hall of Fame caliber fighters on their resumes ... but both Marciano and Calzaghe scored their biggest wins against stars who were well past their primes.
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Slothrop Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Zone Posts: 10,694 vCash: 1195	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? Highly overrated http://admin.mmaweekly.com/wp-conten...re063UFC52.jpg
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Elliot Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 3,129 vCash: 634	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? Depends who they have faced, but 29-0 looks better than 29-1.
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bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: GA Posts: 33,587 vCash: 524	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? of course it's impressive. You'd think it was too if you didn't hate Floyd. SRL is a great fighter, but imagine if he never lost to Duran and retired after the third Duran dight and never came back to lose to Norris and Camacho. He would have retired 37-0-1 with wins over the same people. Is that more impressive or not?
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Fellonblackdays Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,798 vCash: 462	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? Another cool thing to hate these days. People with a record with no blemishes...
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AliShuffle Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 806 vCash: 575	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? Whichever way you want to look at it, getting in the ring 46 times and winning 46 times is impressive.
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Imperial1 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,931 vCash: 1000	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? Highly overratted in this day and age .. I mean you got Floyd who not only cherry picks but fights once a year .. Joe Calzaghe spent 10 yrs beating guys that weren't on his level . Do I really need to say anything else ?
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kwilson71 #MAYDAY ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 2,130 vCash: 75	Re: Are Undefeated Reords in Boxing Impressive or Overrated? a little bit of both. Of course its impressive, you never lost. whats not impressive about that. But in some cases it can be overrated. Because just because we have never seen Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Mayweather, or atgs like Marciano actually lose, doesn't mean they cant.
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