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Old 10-05-2012, 05:22 PM   #16
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Default Re: Peak Chavez vs Pipino Cuevas.

Julio Cesar Chavez was one of the hardest fighters to hurt in history.

It is no given that even a monster puncher like Cuevas will be able to make a big enough dent.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:07 PM   #17
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I would pick JCC to survive...and then take over.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:28 AM   #18
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This is Frazier vs. Foreman, Mexican style.

Chavez may be more refined overall, but Pipino the bonebreaker inevitably crushes him. Too much of a size and strength difference to even be competitive, IMO. JCC will come at him, only to have Pipino's clubs waiting for his head.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:36 AM   #19
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An intriguing fight, it's hard to see CHavez being stopped, and hard to see Chavez standing in there with such a monstrous hitter too.

If i had to guess, I think Chavez can box intelligently, pick his spots and win this.

Cuevas will hit him hard, but if a shot Chavez can eat shot after shot from DLH and Tszyu and still not be rendered unconscious, I'd have to favour him to survive Cuevas' hits.

I'd also have to assume that there'd be no quit in a 93-ish Chavez.
Very well said.
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:34 AM   #20
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This is Frazier vs. Foreman, Mexican style.

Chavez may be more refined overall, but Pipino the bonebreaker inevitably crushes him. Too much of a size and strength difference to even be competitive, IMO. JCC will come at him, only to have Pipino's clubs waiting for his head.

Not to discount that possibility, but I'd say Chavez has a better chin p4p than Frazier does, and is a little more refined on the defensive end too imo.

Furthermore, I'd say Pipino is a little wider than peak Foreman, though not by much.

All in all, a good analogy though and it could very well play out that way
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:35 AM   #21
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Very well said.
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Many people here are saying Chavez will be coming foward, and would get brutalized by Pipino...Well, there is no arguing with that at all IMO, IF Julio does indeed come foward, he does have a good chance to get wrecked by some of Pipino's bombs coming in but Chavez does have the boxing skills to outbox Cuevas, and thats what think he would do here. Pipino would have his moments of course with his crazy power, but i think Julio's chin and defense will hold up here and make it to the final bell with a decision win.
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Many people here are saying Chavez will be coming foward, and would get brutalized by Pipino...Well, there is no arguing with that at all IMO, IF Julio does indeed come foward, he does have a good chance to get wrecked by some of Pipino's bombs coming in but Chavez does have the boxing skills to outbox Cuevas, and thats what think he would do here. Pipino would have his moments of course with his crazy power, but i think Julio's chin and defense will hold up here and make it to the final bell with a decision win.
Agreed. It would be interesting to see a defensive Chavez in there with a bigger man. His come forward ability often overshadowed what was actually a very good aspect of his game. The boxing ability is definitely there, even though it was dormant for much of his career.
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:59 AM   #24
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This is Frazier vs. Foreman, Mexican style.

Chavez may be more refined overall, but Pipino the bonebreaker inevitably crushes him. Too much of a size and strength difference to even be competitive, IMO. JCC will come at him, only to have Pipino's clubs waiting for his head.
This is a pretty good analogy.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:09 AM   #25
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The big big factor though is Julio at Welter. There are lots of guys he just does not match up well against in such a tough tough division. I think 140 is where it ends for him and at 147 is just a huge step to take and past the tipping point. Whole different talent level at welter through the history of that division.

I sure didn't think he had any chance whatsoever against Trinidad back then. None. That left hook would have presented a ton of problems for Chavez to try absorbing round after round. Or absorbing a Hearns shot at 147 for that matter. It's just asking a whole lot more than Frankie Randall crisp right hands at 140 or what, Roger Mayweather right hands years earlier?

Cuevas was a legitimate wrecking machine at welter. I'm sure him moving up in weight subtracts from his effectiveness as well--as a middle it'd be above average perhaps, but not elite as a punch at 160.
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I think he named out the European middleweight champ' did he not?
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