Kid Gavilan

Hands of Iron · 10-08-2012, 03:42 AM

Where does ESB Classic rate him all-time in the heavenly Welterweight Kingdom these days?

Flea Man · 10-08-2012, 03:57 AM

No.2 or no.3 depending on how I'm feeling about Ray Leonard on any given day.

Hands of Iron · 10-08-2012, 04:14 AM

Would you rate him about the same in a H2H sense?

(I would).

Flea Man · 10-08-2012, 04:22 AM

Yes!

sweet_scientist · 10-08-2012, 04:56 AM

Yeah, 2 or 3 for me too.

Holds his own with pretty much anyone you care to name in the welterweight division.

bladerunner · 10-08-2012, 06:42 AM

Number three.

McGrain · 10-08-2012, 06:50 AM

ESB ranked him #5 in Rummy's poll:

1. 1049 Sugar Ray Robinson (41)
2. 524 Sugar Ray Leonard
3. 322 Henry Armstrong
4. 301 Jose Napoles
5. 275 Kid Gavilan

I personally had him at #4.

01 - Sugar Ray Robinson
02 - Sugar Ray Leonard
03 - Jack Britton
04 - Kid Gavilan

Flea Man · 10-08-2012, 07:05 AM

Britton is the guy I could see pushing either Leonard or Gavilan out of the top 3.

McGrain · 10-08-2012, 07:15 AM

He finished 14th in that poll!

Flea Man · 10-08-2012, 07:31 AM

Didn't Hasegawa make the top ten bantams?!?!

To be fair I never took my picks seriously back then. I would now!

Lester1583 · 10-08-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

No.2 or no.3 depending on how I'm feeling about Ray Leonard on any given day.

Where the hell is El Feo?!

Hands of Iron · 10-08-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lester1583

where the hell is el feo?!

7-10.

Lester1583 · 10-08-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

7-10.

I completely trust Flea's opinion.

He said El Feo is the 2nd greatest welter of all time.

Here's his list in case you missed it, HoI:

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

Top 5 ATG Welterweights:
1. Griffith
2. El Feo
3. Kell Brook
4. Hasegawa
5. Starling

Flea Man · 10-08-2012, 09:43 AM

Quick Cash · 10-08-2012, 09:54 AM

I believe he is at a size disadvantage against most conventionally acknowledged welterweights, but that is not to say his talent won't shine through regardless. He is well among the very best of the bunch, but his exact placing depends on whom you include in your list.

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No. 4	4	20.00%
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10-08-2012, 03:42 AM	#1
Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,165 vCash: 2200	Kid Gavilan Where does ESB Classic rate him all-time in the heavenly Welterweight Kingdom these days?
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10-08-2012, 03:57 AM	#2
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,064 vCash: 75	Re: Kid Gavilan No.2 or no.3 depending on how I'm feeling about Ray Leonard on any given day.
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10-08-2012, 04:14 AM	#3
Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,165 vCash: 2200	Re: Kid Gavilan Would you rate him about the same in a H2H sense? (I would).
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10-08-2012, 06:42 AM	#6
bladerunner El Intocable East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20,363 vCash: 0	Re: Kid Gavilan Number three.
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10-08-2012, 04:22 AM	#4
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,064 vCash: 75	Re: Kid Gavilan Yes!
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10-08-2012, 04:56 AM	#5
sweet_scientist Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,301 vCash: 1000	Re: Kid Gavilan Yeah, 2 or 3 for me too. Holds his own with pretty much anyone you care to name in the welterweight division.
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10-08-2012, 06:50 AM	#7
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,254 vCash: 1000	Re: Kid Gavilan ESB ranked him #5 in Rummy's poll: 1. 1049 Sugar Ray Robinson (41) 2. 524 Sugar Ray Leonard 3. 322 Henry Armstrong 4. 301 Jose Napoles 5. 275 Kid Gavilan I personally had him at #4. 01 - Sugar Ray Robinson 02 - Sugar Ray Leonard 03 - Jack Britton 04 - Kid Gavilan
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10-08-2012, 07:05 AM	#8
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,064 vCash: 75	Re: Kid Gavilan Britton is the guy I could see pushing either Leonard or Gavilan out of the top 3.
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10-08-2012, 07:15 AM	#9
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,254 vCash: 1000	Re: Kid Gavilan He finished 14th in that poll!
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10-08-2012, 07:31 AM	#10
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,064 vCash: 75	Re: Kid Gavilan Didn't Hasegawa make the top ten bantams?!?! To be fair I never took my picks seriously back then. I would now!
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10-08-2012, 09:43 AM	#14
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,064 vCash: 75	Re: Kid Gavilan
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10-08-2012, 09:54 AM	#15
Quick Cash Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 546 vCash: 1000	Re: Kid Gavilan I believe he is at a size disadvantage against most conventionally acknowledged welterweights, but that is not to say his talent won't shine through regardless. He is well among the very best of the bunch, but his exact placing depends on whom you include in your list.
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