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View Poll Results: The Cuban Hawk's 147 ATG Rating
No. 2 2 10.00%
No. 3 9 45.00%
No. 4 4 20.00%
No. 5 3 15.00%
Not Top 5, and I'll explain in detail. 2 10.00%
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:05 PM   #31
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I have Kid Gavilan 3rd. I could see an arguement for 4th but no lower than that.

H2H Gavilan/Leonard is a tossup IMO. Napoles was awesome. I would love to see both of those fights with each man at their best.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:54 PM   #32
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She has a better, ahem, one-two than Kell
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:08 AM   #33
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Welterweight Title Fights. He was apparently allergic to fighting non-top contenders.

07/49: Ray Robinson L-UD15
05/51: Johnny Bratton W-UD15
08/51: Billy Graham W-SD15
02/52: Bobby Dykes W-SD15
07/52: Gil Turner W-TKO11
10/52: Billy Graham W-UD15
02/53: Chuck Davey W-TKO10
09/53: Carmen Basilio W-SD15
11/53: Johnny Bratton W-UD15
10/54: Johnny Saxton L-UD15 (Blah)
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:22 AM   #34
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPJLHLt5EM&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPJLHLt5EM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]


^^ Gavilan and Arguello stole the show on that documentary
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:54 AM   #35
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I know what you're saying but Gavilan was very strong he was, like Curry, long in the arms.

De La Hoya was not stronger IMO. I see you didn't want to include him quite in the upper echelon, but just to touch on him anyway, Gavilan's gas tank is so superior to his.

I do agree but a lot of modern 'welterweights' would not be in Gavilan's time (goes for any weight really with only a few exceptions)
Well, the point is if he is on equal footing to men larger than he, then that only serves to put him over the top in his own weight class.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:56 AM   #36
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I agree. Hence why a few us seem to have him so high I guess
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:30 PM   #37
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I agree. Hence why a few us seem to have him so high I guess
wrong post for me to quote but i couldn't be bothered scrolling back up.

Do you really think Napoles skin is that much of a factor?

By that I mean, minus the skin would you pick Napoles?
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:04 PM   #38
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No, I wouldn't pick him anyway but any chance he has will be negated when his face turns to mush. It cost him against lesser fighters. Skillswise Napoles is faultless but if it could cost him against guys who weren't brilliant ten it would in some other instances, like it would against Gavilan.

Wasn't a factor in some of his best wins though. Against Gavilan it'd be very close. Close enough that Gavilan would shred him IMO.

Anyway, LMR all the way.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:02 AM   #40
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1. Ray Leonard
2. Ray Robinson
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Emile Griffith
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Kid Gavilan
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:20 AM   #41
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1. Ray Leonard
2. Ray Robinson
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Emile Griffith
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Kid Gavilan
**** off. Just ****. Off. Please die. While listening to some 'Somba music'.

Or explain yourself. Not that you could ever explain your way out of that.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:41 AM   #42
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Welterweight Title Fights. He was apparently allergic to fighting non-top contenders.

07/49: Ray Robinson L-UD15
05/51: Johnny Bratton W-UD15
08/51: Billy Graham W-SD15
02/52: Bobby Dykes W-SD15
07/52: Gil Turner W-TKO11
10/52: Billy Graham W-UD15
02/53: Chuck Davey W-TKO10
09/53: Carmen Basilio W-SD15
11/53: Johnny Bratton W-UD15
10/54: Johnny Saxton L-UD15 (Blah)
He beat Turner, Basilio and I believe Graham in their hometowns. I think Gil Turner was undefeated at the time the Kid stopped him. Impressive run.
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I LOVE the Turner fight. Yes, he was undefeated.

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Old 10-18-2012, 01:55 AM   #44
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:58 AM   #45
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Gil Turner is so underrated it breaks my heart.
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