Why did Jame Toney Vs Eubank/Benn not happen?

[ApatheticLeader]

Originally Posted by bailey

You havent owned anybody, you are waffling and not answering the question .
when did Toney travel to fight a SMW champ .
Duck the question again PatheticSquealer

So do you think Littles who had done nothing but beat an up and comer who hadnt done anything was better than beating a reigning world champ .
Most relevant action wasnt in the U.S. at SMW, the biggest SMW title fight to come at that time was Benn/Eubank and both were reigning champs taking on better comp, the action was in the UK.
What big fights before Toney/Jones were happening in the SMW in the U.S?
Duck another question

Titles often change hands by up-and-comers being better than current champs - Correct? Thought so.

Therefore it's possible for a non-title holder to be better than a titlist. Correct? Again, yes.

Said non-titlist beats future dominant champ on points. Probability of unexposed fighter being better than mediocre titlist = High.


Also:

Michigan to New Jersey = 643.46 miles apart.

Michigan to Oklahoma = 886.45 miles apart.

Michigan to California = 1837.65 miles apart.

That is in 3 SMW fights that Toney had. When was the last time that either Benn or Eubank travelled over 1500 miles for a SMW title fight?

That's what I thought. Owned.

[ApatheticLeader]

Originally Posted by atberry

"James would love to go to London and fight Eubank or any of the good British guys." - Jackie Kallen, Jul '91

Do you want me to crash the server with the multitude of BS Eubank quotes?

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by Earl-hickey

Jones, Toney and Hopkins wanted no part of Benn after seeing what happened to Gerald Mclellan, who they all feared

Also, Toney is a thick cunt

Benn didn't beat McClellan until after Toney lost to Jones. And Jones was suppose to fight McClellan if he beat Benn the fight was pretty much signed and sealed.

And Toney sparred with McClellan regularly and he had no fear of him.... or Benn, Eubnak or any other fighter in history

You are talking about of your ass. Eubank and Benn avoided RJJ and Toney.

[ApatheticLeader]

Originally Posted by CASH_718

Benn didn't beat McClellan until after Toney lost to Jones. And Jones was suppose to fight McClellan if he beat Benn the fight was pretty much signed and sealed.

And Toney sparred with McClellan regularly and he had no fear of him.... or Benn, Eubnak or any other fighter in history

You are talking about of your ass. Eubank and Benn avoided RJJ and Toney.

I don't see Benn going out of his way to avoid anybody. Wasn't his way.

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by DOM5153

Id question how much all three fighters really wanted it...

Toney wanted all of them. He also wanted Julian Jackson at 160 but Don King wouldn't put Jackson in with him.

It is a fact Eubank and Benn didn't want to fight Toney and Toney very much so wanted Benn and Eubank.

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by general zod

I don't think so. Glen was just as skilled as Watson. Even a crude brawler like Collins was a better fighter than Watson, which is why he did much better against common opponents.

Watson took Benn's 0 in his prime. Got robbed in the first fight with Eubank and was whooping his ass in the rematch and dropped him in the 11th right before Eubank landed his hail mary. And they were all prime.

Collins fought a past it Eubank and Benn and the McCallum fight was probably McCallum's best preformance.

Watson was world class.

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by bailey

Who did Toney beat who was better at SMW?
Benn had also beaten future SMW world champ Malinga at SMW, so tried again and pwned you again

Malinga got robbed and in the rematch he beat Benn.

[ApatheticLeader]

Originally Posted by CASH_718

Watson took Benn's 0 in his prime. Got robbed in the first fight with Eubank and was whooping his ass in the rematch and dropped him in the 11th right before Eubank landed his hail mary. And they were all prime.

Collins fought a past it Eubank and Benn and the McCallum fight was probably McCallum's best preformance.

Watson was world class.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.....

Eubank wasn't past it....

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by ApatheticLeader

I don't see Benn going out of his way to avoid anybody. Wasn't his way.

Eubank flat out ducked. Benn not fighting better fighters was Waren's doing. Benn was a hard man no doubt.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by ApatheticLeader

Titles often change hands by up-and-comers being better than current champs - Correct? Thought so.

Therefore it's possible for a non-title holder to be better than a titlist. Correct? Again, yes.

Said non-titlist beats future dominant champ on points. Probability of unexposed fighter being better than mediocre titlist = High.


Also:

Michigan to New Jersey = 643.46 miles apart.

Michigan to Oklahoma = 886.45 miles apart.

Michigan to California = 1837.65 miles apart.

That is in 3 SMW fights that Toney had. When was the last time that either Benn or Eubank travelled over 1500 miles for a SMW title fight?

That's what I thought. Owned.

You've lived up to your name of PatheticSquealer, you have avoided the questions and not been able to back up the part you said about the big SMW fights being in the U.S. where I brutally exposed your argument and made you squirm
Why have you ducked the questions?

when did Toney travel to fight a SMW champ .

So do you think Littles who had done nothing but beat an up and comer who hadnt done anything was better than beating a reigning world champ .
Most relevant action wasnt in the U.S. at SMW, the biggest SMW title fight to come at that time was Benn/Eubank and both were reigning champs taking on better comp, the action was in the UK.
What big fights before Toney/Jones were happening in the SMW in the U.S?
Duck another question AGAIN

So you duck the questions and talk about the size of America

[bailey]

Originally Posted by CASH_718

Eubank flat out ducked. Benn not fighting better fighters was Waren's doing. Benn was a hard man no doubt.

Yeah because at SMW Toney took on all comers, just look

look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.

[ApatheticLeader]

Originally Posted by bailey

You've lived up to your name of PatheticSquealer, you have avoided the questions and not been able to back up the part you said about the big SMW fights being in the U.S. where I brutally exposed your argument and made you squirm
Why have you ducked the questions?

when did Toney travel to fight a SMW champ .

So do you think Littles who had done nothing but beat an up and comer who hadnt done anything was better than beating a reigning world champ .
Most relevant action wasnt in the U.S. at SMW, the biggest SMW title fight to come at that time was Benn/Eubank and both were reigning champs taking on better comp, the action was in the UK.
What big fights before Toney/Jones were happening in the SMW in the U.S?
Duck another question AGAIN

So you duck the questions and talk about the size of America

I expose your questions as being nonsensical and irrelevant and all you can reply with is emoticons. Awesome.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by ApatheticLeader

I expose your questions as being nonsensical and irrelevant and all you can reply with is emoticons. Awesome.

You havent exposed anything or even answered.
Try again and try and answer the questions.

[CASH_718]

Originally Posted by bailey

blah blah blah

I don't care.

[D4thincarnation]

Originally Posted by OvergrownGnome

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Toney, spent too much time down KFC and McDonalds.