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View Poll Results: Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston
Marciano by KO 55 35.48%
Marciano by Decision 4 2.58%
Draw 4 2.58%
Liston by KO 79 50.97%
Liston by Decision 13 8.39%
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 AM   #256
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All of Marciano’s defences, apart from one, were against #1 contenders. Marciano did not duck big punchers “like hell”…You need to do more research before you can say something like that. Take Archie Moore, He knocked out more fighters than almost anyone in history. Archie was lethal -even at heavyweight! Moore KOd the #2 heavyweight then out pointed the #1 contender to get his crack at Rocky. Joe Louis was still beating rated fighters and so was rex Laynne, Kid Mathews, Don ****ell, Roland LaSarza, Charles and Walcott.

This is a good thread with some excellent info and responses, but I am rather confused by statements like Marciano would stop Liston throwing the jab. Marciano could not acheive this against an old slow Louis ." I just had to take them," so I dont see how he manages it with Sonny.
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Thats the first fight. I have also seen some of that and you are correct. it was good. The second one, the one I am talking about, that took place in 1955 was awful. It got a poor write up in the ring.

No. The 2nd fight in 1955 is up on youtube. It was a very good fight.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:13 AM   #258
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And marciano avoided big hitters like hell.
Any evidence to support this?
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:50 PM   #259
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It is amazing that 31 have Rocky knocking out Liston in the poll.

Wonder how many of them would have actually bet on it had the fight happened?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:30 PM   #260
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It is amazing that 31 have Rocky knocking out Liston in the poll.

Wonder how many of them would have actually bet on it had the fight happened?
I'd bet on it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:40 PM   #261
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If anybody thinks that Sonny Liston would run over Rocky Marciano like a
'Sherman Tank' running over a 'Jeep'.

Look at Sonny versus 'mediocre' Bert Whitehurst,,,,,,,,

As much as Love The Big Bear,,,,,,,Sonny would have had more than a difficult time with
Rocky.

Bert Whitehurst, a 26 year-old - 6' 0" 192 lb. 'journeyman/trial-horse', with a record of 21-18-3 (11 KO's),
could get inside Sonny with relative ease, and whack the right side of Sonny's body with inside left hooks.

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Old 10-09-2012, 04:05 PM   #262
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How many fighters over 210 pounds did marciano fight who were under 32? Marciano beat up old men, or he beat old moving tired men, but he did not beat up young strong guys, he didn't fight them
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It is amazing that 31 have Rocky knocking out Liston in the poll.

Wonder how many of them would have actually bet on it had the fight happened?
I think a TKO is more likely than actual KO, unfortunately TKO was not one of the listed choices.

I'm not normally a gambling man but in a 15 rounder I'd be tempted to put a small wager on Marciano TKOing Liston. There are a lot of unanswered questions about how Liston successfully deals with adversity in combat...I think in a 15 rounder against Marciano there's a good chance Liston would find himslef in adverse situation(s)...
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How many fighters over 210 pounds did marciano fight who were under 32? Marciano beat up old men, or he beat old moving tired men, but he did not beat up young strong guys, he didn't fight them
Who were those young strong guys you think Marciano avoided?
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If anybody thinks that Sonny Liston would run over Rocky Marciano like a
'Sherman Tank' running over a 'Jeep'.

Look at Sonny versus 'mediocre' Bert Whitehurst,,,,,,,,

As much as Love The Big Bear,,,,,,,Sonny would have had more than a difficult time with
Rocky.

Bert Whitehurst, a 26 year-old - 6' 0" 192 lb. 'journeyman/trial-horse', with a record of 21-18-3 (11 KO's),
could get inside Sonny with relative ease, and whack the right side of Sonny's body with inside left hooks.

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SP, you have been around the game for a while and what you forgot some of these guys will never know......As much as I always liked Sonny some of these guys think he is Sonny"King" Kong
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This is a good thread with some excellent info and responses, but I am rather confused by statements like Marciano would stop Liston throwing the jab. Marciano could not acheive this against an old slow Louis ." I just had to take them," so I dont see how he manages it with Sonny.
I know all about Listons huge reach and great jab. Liston had a stunning walk down jab but Marciano could cope with walk down jabs because his low lurching crouch discouraged the use of a real fall in straight left as this shield of elbows and shoulder offered fewer openings on the outside at the optimum height.

The committed effort required for a long booming jab like Listons brought you closer into Marciano’s range anyway. Its not that Rocky could not get hit with jabs or stopped jabs being thrown but he forced the other guy to adapt his jab to a fending, defensive spacer, limiting its effectiveness. I have reviewed the Louis - Marciano fight to see just how successful Louis was with his jab.

Joe Louis was looking to meet Rocky with walk down jabs and counter combinations but was smothered and barged into the ropes at each turn. It did not work. He had no room. Having been belted and mauled in the first two rounds Old Louis was forced to adapt. Upping his pace to find room in rounds 3,4 and 5 Louis got a fending jab and defensive footwork going but even this type of jab gave no room to work off it and Joe was still getting clipped. Rocky was still pressing when Joe first did this in round 3 but it was a more even round. Then Rocky chose to allow Louis to expend himself whilst looking to counter with single pitching from outside. It was the wrong choice. Rocky was not drawing Louis onto anything and lost those two rounds. 2 of 8. It could be argued that rather than letting Joe into the fight the effort of staying away drained Louis. In round 6 rocky went right back to mauling and Louis was never in the fight again. The “step off” fending jab only worked for a mere 2 rounds for Louis and its success was more due to both changing tactics than Rocky not coping with a jab. Clearly Joe could not maintain distance with it until Rocky altered his own tactics in round 4.

Liston wont need a jab to beat Rocky he just needs to be better than Marciano at medium to close range, I am not sure that he was. Punch power, unpredictable punch sequence and work rate favour Rocky inside IMO.

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SP, you have been around the game for a while and what you forgot some of these guys will never know......As much as I always liked Sonny some of these guys think he is Sonny"King" Kong
Thanks Bummy,,,,,,,,,

Very simply, give Sonny a little movement, and you could baffle him, as
he was 'not' a quick thinker in the ring.

Stay in front of him as a stationary target, and he'd destroy you.
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Thanks Bummy,,,,,,,,,

Very simply, give Sonny a little movement, and you could baffle him, as
he was 'not' a quick thinker in the ring.

Stay in front of him as a stationary target, and he'd destroy you.
Oh, I get it now.

Rocky is going to "baffle" Sonny with "a little movement", huh?

Maybe some advanced stick and move technique, huh?

Would he maybe throw in an Ali Shuffle to further "baffle" Sonny?

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Thanks Bummy,,,,,,,,,

Very simply, give Sonny a little movement, and you could baffle him, as
he was 'not' a quick thinker in the ring.

Stay in front of him as a stationary target, and he'd destroy you.
I think there is another way to beat Sonny get inside of his long reach and in range...Sonny was old when he got KO'd by Leotis Martin but lets also remember martin was only a better than average puncher, how does Sonny survive a true puncher, not a Big Cat Williams who IMO and judging by his record a slightly above average puncher and IMO Sonny never fought a real puncher...I am not knocking him he fought the best of his time but my thought are get to Sonny's chin on the inside

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How many fighters over 210 pounds did marciano fight who were under 32? Marciano beat up old men, or he beat old moving tired men, but he did not beat up young strong guys, he didn't fight them
How many good fighters did Liston beat who were over 200 Lbs?
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