Could Ali handle the size of a Lewis?

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by Andrei00

Well, that's what you did, right? Selected the part of my post which you didn't agree with, I thought it wouldn't be unfair for me to do the same thing. That wasn't my argument, that was my opininon on how Lewis would look like if he were to box in the same era as Ernie. Read what I first posted, what fg2227 posted after me and then my post we're talking about here (read it completely this time), and maybe you'll get my point.

No I responded to your ENTIRE post which was this, and let's break it down together.

Andrei00 I'm pretty sure if Lewis were to live and box in the same era as Ernie, he wouldn't weigh 245lbs. Take another example, Joe Bugner. 6'4" guy, weighed 230lbs against Ali. So yeah, I still believe Ali could handle Lewis' size pretty well.

I then responded with this:

mr. magoo.
That's kind of dodging the question if we're honest. When doing a fantasy matchup you have to compare the two fighters as they REALLY were.

And since it was a two part reply, I finished with this.

mr.magoo
Joe Bugner did not have the power or fighting style of a man like Lennox Lewis, and more often than not, fought a defensive minded style rather than initiating any sort of attack.. In either case, Lewis was still even bigger than Bugner and would likely be larger than any man Ali ever fought. If not, he was certainly more well rounded as a big man in terms of size, power, conditioning, mobility, skill, etc..

Now to clearify, I haven't a clue as to who would win.. Muhammad Ali will always be the better fighter in my mind, from the stand point of having greater accomplishments and doing better against the rest of the field. But I'm not confident in picking a winner between the two of them.

Analysis.

I addressed both of your points in two parts.

1. That assuming Lewis would come in at a certain weight in a different era was bullshit and dodging the question

and

2. That Lewis had nothing in common with Joe Bugner, making that a ridiculous comparison..

Did I miss anything that you'd like to share. Perhaps some invisible typing?

[fists of fury]

It's quite interesting because although I do see Ali battling somewhat with the height and reach of Lewis or Wlad, I think they'd both struggle with his speed of hand and foot.

The weight is not a problem for Ali in the slightest...the weight advantage would only count in close, and I don't see Ali v Lewis or Ali vs. Wlad as anything other than long range fights, with the odd clinch here and there.

Basically, I see these fights as chess matches, and very much a battle of the jabs. I think Ali's jab beats Lewis' jab, but Wlad's jab could be harder to counter. Ali didn't miss a trick though, and if he did find a weakness to exploit, he would exploit it to the fullest.
Both hit harder than Ali, but power isn't going to faze Ali who as we all know had an elite level chin. Neither are going to land with enough leather to put meaningful combo's on the guy either, so knockouts are out of the question, imo.

Over 15 rounds, I think Ali would be fighting at a pace that the other two guys would not be accustomed to, and would be hard-pressed to match. That could be a significant factor later in the fight.

[HOUDINI]

The question is beyond stupid. Ali would beat Lewis and both Klit brothers. Anyone who thinks size will beat an Ali or Joe Louis know nothing of boxing. Both fighters would Win and win with relative ease.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

The question is beyond stupid.

No it isn't.

Not for someone who has enough forsight to realize that there would be more than just mere size brought to the table on Lewis's end.

[Danmann]

Frazier was 5'11" and gave Ali way more trouble then Terell or Bugner--it ain' t the height, its the talent. Klitcshko has the talent.

[HOUDINI]

Ali and Louis would easily beat either walking statue...no contest whatsoever.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Ali and Louis would easily beat either walking statue...no contest whatsoever.

Awesome analysis there. They should make a sticky thread based on your comment alone.

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Awesome analysis there. They should make a sticky thread based on your comment alone.

[Andrei00]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Analysis.

I addressed both of your points in two parts.

1. That assuming Lewis would come in at a certain weight in a different era was bullshit and dodging the question

and

2. That Lewis had nothing in common with Joe Bugner, making that a ridiculous comparison..

Did I miss anything that you'd like to share. Perhaps some invisible typing?

1. First of all, I wasn't dodging the question since I've already answered it. If it's bullshit or not, we'll never know. For a guy who fought his first 5 or 6 years below 240lbs, I'm saying it would be pretty stupid to think that he'd fight at 245 in a very different era, against faster boxers and probably more powerful punchers. However, it had nothing to do with how would a fantasy matchup between Ali and Lewis look like. So you didn't get my point after commenting about it three times.

2. The original question was: "Could Ali handle the size of Lewis?" I posted a few examples of guys who were comparable to Lewis' in terms of size, and who Ali boxed against managing to handle their size pretty well. Again, you missed my point.

[mr. magoo]

[quote=Andrei00;13962959]

For a guy who fought his first 5 or 6 years below 240lbs, I'm saying it would be pretty stupid to think that he'd fight at 245 in a very different era

You never mentioned that before. You're post read ( and the agenda was pretty clear ) that if Lewis was fighting in Ali's era that you were fairly certain he'd be less than 245 lbs. You never commented on the segmentation of his career, and frankly I think we both know that his prime came later when incidentally, he was a bit larger than 230. Hence it came off as though you were trying to morph Lewis into someone that he wasn't. Kinda similar to arguments which harbor that if Rocky Marciano were fighting in the 90's he'd be larger than 185 lbs. Certainly a possibility but not a given.

However, it had nothing to do with how would a fantasy matchup between Ali and Lewis look like. So you didn't get my point after commenting about it three times.

I think I retorted your original wording quite well.

The original question was: "Could Ali handle the size of Lewis?" I posted a few examples of guys who were comparable to Lewis' in terms of size, and who Ali boxed against managing to handle their size pretty well.

Which I then pointed out were dissimilar to Lewis in just about every other way, and were still Lewis's lesser in size in size.

Again, you missed my point.

Which is?

[Andrei00]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Which is?

No thanks, I rest my case.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by Andrei00

No thanks, I rest my case.

LOL

Sorry.. You being sort of new around here, I felt the urge for a little ball busting.

[dyna]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

The question is beyond stupid. Ali would beat Lewis and both Klit brothers. Anyone who thinks size will beat an Ali or Joe Louis know nothing of boxing. Both fighters would Win and win with relative ease.

I sometimes do retarded things, but I am bipolar or something.

You are just stupid.

[Seamus]

Terrell was a mummy. Lewis was not.

[MAG1965]

If anyone smaller could do it, he could. But I think the size of Lennox and the Klitchkos is too big for Ali and would win a decision over him.