Kid Gavilan vs Sugar Ray Leonard

[TheSouthpaw]

[quote=PhillyPhan69;13959228]1st This aint yo thread

2nd I aint yo man

3rd just answer the damn question![/quote/

I like you man!.But your just not right...

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by TheSouthpaw

Now that would have been the one and only time that SRL Leonards gets straight beat the fuck up and waisted early. 2 maybe 3 rounds ill give Ray..But Kid woulda just been to much for him and thers no way even with Leonards speed and movement, he would not be abe to keep Gavilan off him.

Wisdom.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by TheSouthpaw

Cmon man you aint gotta do that..Disagree with me all you want and we'll talk about, but your gonna be an ignorant fool then stay off my threads, I got no beef with you Philly..But you can handle shit a little differently than talkin to me like that my man.

Your threads? What the fuck are you talking about you deranged lunatic?

You're the guy who came out saying Gavilan would waste Leonard in two or three rounds. Sure thing, pal.

This is an extremely close fight though. It's literally dead even. The Cuban Hawk, for what it's worth, was an unorthodox offensive beast. He would give angles, and he would be able to throw some bombs.

I've personally got Leonard by SD.

EDIT: Also, Gavilan had a helluva chin. Never knocked out in over 100 fights and 30 losses, even when he was past his prime. Robinson, Olson, Basilio, etc. Couldn't stop him. Although Basilio did knock him down.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Your threads? What the fuck are you talking about you deranged lunatic?

You're the guy who came out saying Gavilan would waste Leonard in two or three rounds. Sure thing, pal.

This is an extremely close fight though. It's literally dead even. The Cuban Hawk, for what it's worth, was an unorthodox offensive beast. He would give angles, and he would be able to throw some bombs.

I've personally got Leonard by SD.

If they fight three times, it's likely 1-1-1 for both. All razor thin.

[hookfromhell]

This is my thread haha. thanks for reviving it. I dont think anyone
could dominate SRL in three rounds. He was very versatile. Was kid
even more versatile? more experience and he fought the best WW ever.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by hookfromhell

This is my thread haha. thanks for reviving it. I dont think anyone could dominate SRL in three rounds. He was very versatile. Was kid
even more versatile? more experience and he fought the best WW ever.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

If they fight three times, it's likely 1-1-1 for both. All razor thin.

I concur. It would be a great styles clash. The skill would make me orgasm.

[DaveK]

It's a great fight, but I have a feeling it's Leonard who sways judges with his harder punching and landing more than he's receiving (probably).

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by orriray59

I concur. It would be a great styles clash. The skill would make me orgasm.

How do you see a 15-rounder with GGG (Gerardo Gonzalez Gavilan) and Thomas Hearns going? People on ESB who actually believe Gavilan had the stamina, chin, fiery work rate and moxy to stand-up to and wear Hearns down to a late stoppage:

Myself
Flea Man

[janwalshs]

Leonard would pull his cute tricks that always seem to impress the judges so much. He pulls out a solid decision.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

How do you see a 15-rounder with GGG (Gerardo Gonzalez Gavilan) and Thomas Hearns going? People on ESB who actually believe Gavilan had the stamina, chin, fiery work rate and moxy to stand-up to and wear Hearns down to a late stoppage:

Myself
Flea Man

I think a well-prepared Hearns beats any welter ever. The Hearns of the first Leonard fight I could see Gavilan doing that to, but even then, I don't think Gavilan has the power to change the fight around like Leonard did.

Consider this: as tough as Gavilan was and with the chin he had, he was dropped by Basilio and Williams, a lightweight. Hearns was every bit as accurate and much harder-punching than either one of those guys.

The flip side of that is he went 2 hard fights with Robinson who was every bit as good overall a puncher as Hearns, if not as hard-hitting, just as accurate and effective. He didn't fall for Ray, he probably wouldn't fall for Hearns.

I could see Gavilan pounding out a decision but probably not a stoppage. I'm not married to that notion though.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by DaveK

I think a well-prepared Hearns beats any welter ever. The Hearns of the first Leonard fight I could see Gavilan doing that to, but even then, I don't think Gavilan has the power to change the fight around like Leonard did.

Definitely not at the point Leonard did, he'd need to get started earlier for sure.

Consider this: as tough as Gavilan was and with the chin he had, he was dropped by Basilio and Williams, a lightweight. Hearns was every bit as accurate and much harder-punching than either one of those guys.

The flip side of that is he went 2 hard fights with Robinson who was every bit as good overall a puncher as Hearns, if not as hard-hitting, just as accurate and effective. He didn't fall for Ray, he probably wouldn't fall for Hearns.

Part of the flip is that he was never KO'ed, stopped or beat into submission either. I wouldn't put it past Hearns to score a KD, but I think Gavilan has enough to back up the notion he was one of, if not the hardest guy to stop in division history. Close to, anyway.

I could see Gavilan pounding out a decision but probably not a stoppage. I'm not married to that notion though.

Nor am I the original prediction.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Definitely not at the point Leonard did, he'd need to get started earlier for sure.



Part of the flip is that he was never KO'ed, stopped or beat into submission either. I wouldn't put it past Hearns to score a KD, but I think Gavilan has enough to back up the notion he was one of, if not the hardest guy to stop in division history. Close to, anyway.


Nor am I the original prediction.

I agree, although that Leonard-Hearns had a good pace and alot of tough punches landed both ways from the start. I doubt Gavilan has what it takes to stop him, but I totally agree Gavilan proves his reputation correct as a tough cookie.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by DaveK

I agree, although that Leonard-Hearns had a good pace and alot of tough punches landed both ways from the start. I doubt Gavilan has what it takes to stop him, but I totally agree Gavilan proves his reputation correct as a tough cookie.

FWIW, I agree that Hearns probably beats anybody at 147 ever over 12 rounds and plenty in a 15 too. It's a bit unfair and cliche he always loses fantasy fights due to the same faults (I say stamina, not necessarily chin) over 15, sort of like Napoles being easy to cut. It'll be cited nonetheless.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

FWIW, I agree that Hearns probably beats anybody at 147 ever over 12 rounds and plenty in a 15 too. It's a bit unfair and cliche he always loses fantasy fights due to the same faults (I say stamina, not necessarily chin) over 15, sort of like Napoles being easy to cut. It'll be cited nonetheless.

I agree completely.