I was hardest WW in history to stop ? - Page 2

mcvey · 10-11-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

Mcv, yes I didn't stipulate champion in my thread ! I shall be flogged comes tommorrow 8 am...
Two points :
1-As I threaded, Britton in his 3rd bout was stopped in 1905 as a prelim...
2- When the great [as great as Robinson LW] floored Jack Britton in 1922
Jack Britton was THIRTY SEVEN years old at that time...Ancient !.
3- I have posted many times that Billy Graham who as a boy saw many times in the NY area, had an iron chin...No doubt, but Billy had but 126
bouts , compared with Britton who went 342 bouts without ever being STOPPED...I strongly doubt that Graham could have gone the next
216 fights without being stopped, so I named Jack Britton...Longevity
to me is part of a great fighters legacy. Wouldn't you agree M ?

I seldom disagree with you B B,I was just pulling your wooden leg a little.

Britton also stopped Ted Kid Lewis once in their series , not an easy thing to do.

burt bienstock · 10-12-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mcvey

I seldom disagree with you B B,I was just pulling your wooden leg a little.

Britton also stopped Ted Kid Lewis once in their series , not an easy thing to do.

Now there is a forgotten great WW Ted Kid Lewis with 282 fights...Who is to say that Lewis, most likely Britain's greatest fighter [excluding Fitz],
would not have beaten any welterweight from the USA...? Nat Fleisher had
Ted Kid Lewis ahead of Robinson, just behind Walcott, Ryan and Britton !
Today the Kid is a forgotten fighter...To shame !

Hands of Iron · 10-12-2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

Now there is a forgotten great WW Ted Kid Lewis with 282 fights...Who is to say that Lewis, most likely Britain's greatest fighter [excluding Fitz],
would not have beaten any welterweight from the USA...? Nat Fleisher had
Ted Kid Lewis ahead of Robinson, just behind Walcott, Ryan and Britton !
Today the Kid is a forgotten fighter...To shame !

Stop it.

TheSouthpaw · 10-12-2012, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Duran deserves a mention

TheSouthpaw · 10-12-2012, 04:10 AM

Robinson or De La Hoya.."At WW in there prime".

young griffo · 10-12-2012, 06:16 AM

Brittons record is incredible.

I will toss Barney Ross's hat in the ring though. Even though a novice compared to the likes of Britton and Lewis he was never stopped in 80 odd fights and only suffered a single flash kd against the great Jimmy McClarnin even though he met an assortment of some of the rings best ever fighters (McCarnin again, Armstrong, Canzoneri, Petrolle).

mcvey · 10-12-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by young griffo

Brittons record is incredible.

I will toss Barney Ross's hat in the ring though. Even though a novice compared to the likes of Britton and Lewis he was never stopped in 80 odd fights and only suffered a single flash kd against the great Jimmy McClarnin even though he met an assortment of some of the rings best ever fighters (McCarnin again, Armstrong, Canzoneri, Petrolle).

Good shout.

burt bienstock · 10-12-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Stop it.

Make me !

turbotime · 10-12-2012, 01:59 PM

No love for Oskee? Leonard? The Golden boys were all cheen when it came down to it as well.

Oscar apparently took a bajillion Manny Pac lefts before saying fuck that and went right for his IV station to get some water

But really it's Gavilan by a country mile. Only welter that should sniff that top 10 beards of all time really.............ok and Robinson as well.

Hands of Iron · 10-12-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

No love for Oskee? Leonard? The Golden boys were all cheen when it came down to it as well.

Oscar apparently took a bajillion Manny Pac lefts before saying fuck that and went right for his IV station to get some water

But really it's Gavilan by a country mile. Only welter that should sniff that top 10 beards of all time really.............ok and Robinson as well.

And Graham.

turbotime · 10-12-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

And Graham.

out of fairness to the other weights.

Though I think BG should get the nod over Robinson.....may have to revise my top 10

Hands of Iron · 10-12-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

out of fairness to the other weights.

Though I think BG should get the nod over Robinson.....may have to revise my top 10

Erm, no.

You could take Chuvalo out though.

Maybe if Robinson just stood along the ropes defenseless on his way to early stoppage losses, he might of been able to claim to never being knocked down. Absolute fact in Gavilan's case. Instead, he got up, took more and won those fights (one unofficially).

No KO losses >>> Not hitting the deck.

turbotime · 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Erm, no.

You could take Chuvalo out though.

Maybe if Robinson just stood along the ropes defenseless on his way to early stoppage losses, he might of been able to claim to never being knocked down. Absolute fact in Gavilan's case. Instead, he got up, took more and won those fights (one unofficially).

No KO losses >>> Not hitting the deck.

He got knocked down by a past prime lightweight

Robinson for the most part fought featherfists

GTFO

Hands of Iron · 10-12-2012, 02:44 PM

Abysmal.

turbotime · 10-12-2012, 02:51 PM

Because some heavier dude hits harder than me in the gym on the heavy bag doesn't mean I wouldn't whup his ass in the ring like 99% of Robinson's opponents had to deal with.

Faster, offensive variety, defense, techniques (Turbotime, Robinson)> right hand, shell defense (graziano, homie in the club)

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