Judo Combined with Western Boxing?

JudoPlayer · 10-13-2012, 03:27 PM

how good?

chimba · 10-13-2012, 03:38 PM

not good enough to avoid kicks.

JudoPlayer · 10-13-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chimba

not good enough to avoid kicks.

i dont think kicks are as big a deal..i dont think you need a life time of training to defend them. much of what you learn in boxing is useful with some mild adapation. also..i really think the mauy thai stance has its own draw backs in so far as you lean back and lose punching power and also make yourself more valunable to take downs.

Stoo · 10-13-2012, 04:04 PM

Fuck off Johnstown

Rob_Floyd · 10-13-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JudoPlayer

i dont think kicks are as big a deal..i dont think you need a life time of training to defend them. much of what you learn in boxing is useful with some mild adapation. also..i really think the mauy thai stance has its own draw backs in so far as you lean back and lose punching power and also make yourself more valunable to take downs.

Once you get kicked in the leg by a guy that knows how to kick, you may change your mind.

JudoPlayer · 10-13-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Once you get kicked in the leg by a guy that knows how to kick, you may change your mind.

i have been...i admit not by anyone elite..but then i am not elite either. find that the basic defense for a leg kick...the check..is pretty easy to fucking learn as long as you have any coordination at all..if you have had success at boxing and judo, than you should be able to pick it up. I am not saying some cross training isnt suggested, but it think judo and boxing as a core with a bit of cross training is great. also,..even good kickers..if you have good footwork, you can often step in and punch. id rather get kicked in the thigh than punched with 5 oz gloves.

sugarngold · 10-13-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JudoPlayer

id rather get kicked in the thigh than punched with 5 oz gloves.

You can get kicked in other places too.

I'd agree with your basic conceit that judo and boxing is a good base for martial arts. one would have to supplement that with some kind of muay thai/kicking training as well as jiujitsu to round out their submissions.

JudoPlayer · 10-13-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarngold

You can get kicked in other places too.

I'd agree with your basic conceit that judo and boxing is a good base for martial arts. one would have to supplement that with some kind of muay thai/kicking training as well as jiujitsu to round out their submissions.

i always thought jeremy williams (the boxer) could have made a really good run at mma..but it didnt make sense at the time..not enough money

Rob_Floyd · 10-13-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarngold

You can get kicked in other places too.

Yeah, Ray Mercer is a pretty tough guy, but one kick to the head by an elite kicker, and he said fuck it.

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JudoPlayer · 10-13-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Yeah, Ray Mercer is a pretty tough guy, but one kick to the head by an elite kicker, and he said fuck it.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...ps197f8ded.gif

my issue, as a boxing fan with that is..number 1...mercer was shot for a long time, but number two...i think its unfair to give the kicker bare shins while wearing full fight gloves.

Koa · 10-13-2012, 05:27 PM

As long as you have enough looks at certain kicking styles, Judo is fine. The biggest hurdle is understanding a kicker has great range and will use blind angles. See how Ray got caught with that? Probably never saw a kick like that in his life.

A judoka should understand this and with boxing would be able to control middle and inside fighting. Of course, trick is going to be protecting ones own legs with that combination of skills, but I think it would be very viable so long as whoever it is has good power and actually has some talent with Judo.

Wilhelm · 10-13-2012, 05:39 PM

Good base, but I've had a different experience with kickboxing than you. That is, guys I've totally owned in boxing the round before totally turn it around when they're allowed to kick. Throws off distance and timing.

Also, as has been discussed on here a million times, a lot of judo throws either require the gi or are very difficult to do without it since the unbalancing and momentum you need is harder to generate and control if you don't have a gi to yank on. You'll learn subs and balance and all that, but a lot of the offense won't work nearly as well without a gi on.

I guess I'd say that it'd be better to have some functionality kicking and be comfortable taking kicks than to be better strictly punching and better to base grappling on methods that don't require and practice with a gi.

That is, kickboxing and wrestling.

Koa · 10-13-2012, 06:25 PM

Yep, there's some good no gi judo out there but throws tend to come with control and timing. Harder to control without the gi, but not impossible, and I don't think it's been given it's fair do.. BJJ is doing just fine, and it is still being refined with and without the gee. If Judo is given the same chance, you would likely see it a bit more. Being able to control the middle and inside is enough for a mauling style. Those two are a great combination and sync well together.

10-13-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JudoPlayer

i dont think kicks are as big a deal..i dont think you need a life time of training to defend them.

You just don't think at all.

Baracksucker · 10-14-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Spider

You just don't think at all.

plenty of wrestlers with a few months cross training slam the hell out of guys with years of muay thai..and even step in and punch them in the face with their goofy leaning back mauy thai style. and wrestling, the stance, is about the worst for checking kicks.

so boom goes the dynimate.

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Koa Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Da Bafroom brah! Posts: 7,196 vCash: 75	Re: Judo Combined with Western Boxing? As long as you have enough looks at certain kicking styles, Judo is fine. The biggest hurdle is understanding a kicker has great range and will use blind angles. See how Ray got caught with that? Probably never saw a kick like that in his life. A judoka should understand this and with boxing would be able to control middle and inside fighting. Of course, trick is going to be protecting ones own legs with that combination of skills, but I think it would be very viable so long as whoever it is has good power and actually has some talent with Judo.
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Wilhelm Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Northwoods of Wisconsin, USA Posts: 3,531 vCash: 1000	Re: Judo Combined with Western Boxing? Good base, but I've had a different experience with kickboxing than you. That is, guys I've totally owned in boxing the round before totally turn it around when they're allowed to kick. Throws off distance and timing. Also, as has been discussed on here a million times, a lot of judo throws either require the gi or are very difficult to do without it since the unbalancing and momentum you need is harder to generate and control if you don't have a gi to yank on. You'll learn subs and balance and all that, but a lot of the offense won't work nearly as well without a gi on. I guess I'd say that it'd be better to have some functionality kicking and be comfortable taking kicks than to be better strictly punching and better to base grappling on methods that don't require and practice with a gi. That is, kickboxing and wrestling.
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Koa Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Da Bafroom brah! Posts: 7,196 vCash: 75	Re: Judo Combined with Western Boxing? Yep, there's some good no gi judo out there but throws tend to come with control and timing. Harder to control without the gi, but not impossible, and I don't think it's been given it's fair do.. BJJ is doing just fine, and it is still being refined with and without the gee. If Judo is given the same chance, you would likely see it a bit more. Being able to control the middle and inside is enough for a mauling style. Those two are a great combination and sync well together.
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