giardello vs bobby watts and georgie benton

[shommel]

whats hapens to these exciting fights? why and how/

[Flea Man]

Benton beat Giardello with little trouble and then Giardello flat out refused to defend his title against Benton.

[shommel]

why did he refuse?

[Flea Man]

Lou Duva and Giardello wanted nothing to do with Benton after he, as the papers put it, 'whipped' Giardello.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Lou Duva and Giardello wanted nothing to do with Benton after he, as the papers put it, 'whipped' Giardello.

Instead Joey fought and defeated Carter, and Morris , both of whom beat Benton within 18months of Benton's victory over Giardello.

[The Funny Man 7]

I read a memorial article on Giardello in Ring Magazine.

The writer (Steve Farhood I think) recalled smoking a cigarette with Giardello outside a church at some funeral service for an old Philly boxing journalist. Benton (who was ill and walking with a cane) came limping out of the church assisted by two young men.

Apparently Giardello turned to Farhood and said 'I'd whip him now' nodding in Benton's direction. That had me cracking up. Georgie was for rea, both as a fighter and a trainer.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by mcvey

Instead Joey fought and defeated Carter, and Morris , both of whom beat Benton within 18months of Benton's victory over Giardello.

Yeah, Benton was on the downward slope after that epic effort against Carter, which saw him lose his chance at a title shot.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Yeah, Benton was on the downward slope after that epic effort against Carter, which saw him lose his chance at a title shot.

Yeah him that was three years younger than Giardello with 56 fights on his clock
Know how many fights Giardello had when Benton beat him?


ONE HUNDRED AND NINETEEN.

Giardello beat Tiger for the title, defended against the number one contender Carter, then defended against Tiger.

Know how many years Giardello was rated in the top ten before he got a title shot?

NINE
Champ for two years, then rated for the next year.


Know How many years Benton was top ten rated?

ONE, and only for 6 months.

Giardello has one of the best resumes of ANY middle weight.
Tiger x4
Fullmer
SRR
Cartier
Hank x2
Mims
Jones x2
Vejar x2
Downes
Fullmer
Dupas
Webb
Sandy
Cotton x4
Langlois x 2
Giambra x2
Graham x2
Green x2
Durando
Miceli
Castellani
Dykes
Calhoun x2
Boyd
To name a few

It pisses all over Benton's

[LittleRed]

In other words Benton was no Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

In other words Benton was no Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Look at his record , then compare it to Giardello's .
Benton's is full of ham and eggers.

[red cobra]

Originally Posted by mcvey

Look at his record , then compare it to Giardello's .
Benton's is full of ham and eggers.

And joey wasn't supposed to beat Carter..but he sure as hell did.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by mcvey

Look at his record , then compare it to Giardello's .
Benton's is full of ham and eggers.

Yeah Giardello is one of the 25 or 30 best middleweights ever. Just like I said: Benton is no Money May.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by mcvey

Look at his record , then compare it to Giardello's .
Benton's is full of ham and eggers.

Yeah, I agree;

Freddie Little
Joey Giardello
Bobby Boyd
Jimmy Ellis
Holly Mims


And solid trialhorses like Joseph and whatnot.

Also, where did that all out offensive come from?

When did I say I though Benton was greater than Benton? I didn't because I don't think that.

When did I say Benton was a great fighter? Whenever he had a solid victory he tended to be recognised. A few bad ones later and he slipped out of the rankings. It happens. Before Carter, he was ranked third by The Ring.

When did I say Benton was the more proven and successful fighter? I didn't, but fact is he did beat Giardello handily.

Benton Whips Giardello: 10th ranked George Benton, hammering away with short left chops and long looping left hooks, scored a unanimous decision over No.2-ranked middleweight contender Joe Gardello…In the 6th Benton backed Giardello into a corner and had him sagging on the ropes with a series of punches. At one point Giardello fell outside of the ring but it was not scored a knockdown — Associated Press
George Benton has emerged from oblivion after years of frustration with a victory over no.2-ranked Joey Giardello. Now he wants a shot at the title….Meanwhile Benton, despite earning $9,611-his largest purse ever-isn‟t quitting the job he‟s been working in manufacturing plant at Fairless Hills, Pa…. Benton, a masterful boxer, kept the pressure on his opponent with a left jab, left hooks and combinations. — Charleston Daily Mail
Benton, forcing the fight all the way, completely outclassed Giardello in the opening three rounds. He had Giardello bewildered with jabs and right and left crosses and opened a cut over the favorite’s right eye in the 3rd round. But Giardello wouldn’t quit. He took the offensive in the 4th through the 7th rounds, delivering a bruising body attack that forced Benton to miss with his potent jabs. The bout was headed for a photo finish when Benton exploded in the final two rounds — United Press International

He was good enough to go tooth and nail with Carter, in a great fight where Rubin showed he was not just a basic slugger.

The thread question was essentially 'who would win out of Giardello and Benton'? I answered it, I wasn't trying to change history or whatnot, that is fact. I wasn't making Giardello out to be a lesser fighter or that his title reign was a sham because he didn't meet Benton. But Benton did clearly get the better of him. And one article quoted Giardello as saying 'who'd he ever lick?' when Benton was mooted as an opponent when Giardello was champion, although it seemed an off the cuff remark and not a first hand source. Still of small interest.

As you correctly pointed out, Benton did split two fights with Morris, who wasn't all that, but does Giardello being the more seasoned competitor mean Benton was poor for slipping before he did, in terms of age, or are you just being harsh because you see an argument where there isn't one?

I'm not Mendoza.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

Yeah Giardello is one of the 25 or 30 best middleweights ever. Just like I said: Benton is no Money May.

Money May would have a similarly spotty record if he'd fought in Benton's era, at the appropriate weightclass.

And Giardello is far greater than that IMO.

[LittleRed]

Giardello was great but terribly inconsistent. Benton moreso. Mayweather wouldn't of been undefeated but he wouldn't have been spotty.