Benn, Jones, Jackson, McClellan: who hit the hardest?

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by general zod

NO

It means you have to use examples were :
1: the opponent does not quit
2: the opponent actually trains for the fight

Which is why I would not use the Holyfield-Douglas fight as a example.

Of course it does, you failed to note that Benn was a shell when he fought Malinga the second time around

[general zod]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

We don't quite know just when the the onsets of brain damage took over, but Benn was hurting him early on and making him uncomfortable, and Mclellan shook off Jackson's best punches. The rabbit punches were a disgrace

He also shook of Benn's

1: McClellan was complaining about having headaches after round 2.
2: That was not peak McClellan that Benn was fighting, McClellan devolved as a fighter after having split with Manny
3: A case can be made that he actually had a head injury going into that fight

[general zod]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Of course it does, you failed to note that Benn was a shell when he fought Malinga the second time around

And how did that take away from his power? He won his next two fight by ko and actually scored got a kd against Malinga in the rematch

[general zod]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

You based ranking Jones above Benn solely on the Malinga fights, which I disagreed with

The problem is your alternative isn't really much better. What's the point of disagreeing with me if you cant offer a better alternative?

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by general zod

And how did that take away from his power? He won his next two fight by ko and actually scored got a kd against Malinga in the rematch

It took away from his timing and delivery

Originally Posted by general zod

The problem is your alternative isn't really much better. What's the point of disagreeing with me if you cant offer a better alternative?

The example was fine, it proves how the common opponent logic is flawed. You used Benn, Jones and Malinga, yet failed to acknowledge that Benn was a shell at the time of the Malinga rematch.

[Mind Reader]

Originally Posted by atberry

And it was tremendous how Benn managed to carry his power up to cruiserweight (when he was a natural welterweight/junior-middleweight); bouncing Piper's, Gent's and Malinga's shoulder blades off the canvas and shaking up Eubank in their return and McClellan...

Benn fought at Cruiserweight?

[Mind Reader]

Rating power is pretty tricky, even when using common opponents.. A lot can be taken into account when rating how punches effect fighters other than just raw power. They always say the punch hurts you more when you can't see it coming.

[atberry]

Originally Posted by Mind Reader

Benn fought at Cruiserweight?

ie most Benn super-middle opponents were 185+ in the ring and Benn actually had great trouble getting as high as 168. Lenzie Morgan looked like a giant!

[Mind Reader]

Originally Posted by atberry

ie most Benn super-middle opponents were 185+ in the ring and Benn actually had great trouble getting as high as 168. Lenzie Morgan looked like a giant!

Well.. I am sure real Cruiserweights actually are Heavyweights on fight night... But they still had to weigh in at Cruiserweight.

I think it is important that we acknowledge, out of that group listed, Roy Jones was the only one who carried elite power above the 168 weight class.

[irishny]

At 160 and even 168 Jones hit like a beast.

Hard to gauge really

[Godsavethequeen]

Originally Posted by Arran

McLellan also smashed Jones around in the amatuers according to Emaunal Steward so im putting Jones bottom, Jackson top, Benn and McLellan switchable in the middle. Although looking at their KO ratings Mclellan akes it at 85%. But then he didnt fight as much.

Benn KO'd McClellan so Benn is #2 IMO

[HerolGee]

Originally Posted by Mind Reader

Well.. I am sure real Cruiserweights actually are Heavyweights on fight night... But they still had to weigh in at Cruiserweight.

I think it is important that we acknowledge, out of that group listed, Roy Jones was the only one who carried elite power above the 168 weight class.

thats probably what distinguishes sheer physical power from actual precision force, the skill Jones was the latter, an ability that travels up the weight divisions (until he fcuked up his body and started losing it with all his weight changes).

[Mind Reader]

Originally Posted by HerolGee

thats probably what distinguishes sheer physical power from actual precision force, the skill Jones was the latter, an ability that travels up the weight divisions (until he fcuked up his body and started losing it with all his weight changes).

Very true...

Which is why I think G-Man, Jackson, and Benn may have had more raw power...

Roy was faster, more precise, and hit a bit more unexpected...

Roy's ability to catch fighters perfectly with a hard punch was very special... The other 3 did not have it quite as much... So I don't jump to rate Roy more powerful even though he was the only one out of that lot that wobbled a HW Champ with his power, and had true one punch knockouts with both hands at LHW...

Which almost makes you appreciate Roy even more... He had great power, but it was timing, accuracy, and perfect counters just as much as power.

He was a very great fighter.

[Boxingfan2]

Jackson
Mccellan
Benn
Jones

Very tough to call though, they were all huge punchers at 160/168

[Mind Reader]

Originally Posted by Boxingfan2

Jackson
Mccellan
Benn
Jones

Very tough to call though, they were all huge punchers at 160/168

Though I don't disagree with your rating, don't you find it interesting, that the guy rated last, is the only one with one hand knockouts at LHW?

but as I said above, Jones' power came through reflex, accuracy and timing, just as much as how hard he hit.

It still seems weird though.. Makes me question what power is... Is it the guy that can pick the best spots, hit the most accurate, and distribute the power the best?