Pavlik is a bad fight for ward - Page 4

Tyler-Durden · 10-15-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by iceman71

problem is people that make these gay predictions only the KP that fought JT and not the one of the last 5 years.... they somehow skip over his recent performances and assume he will be the guy who fought taylor.....

At the same time only Booradley and his delusional crew are believing Pavlik stands a single blind chance.

Kids are so excited because "Garcia taght him to use his left arm".

Quincy K · 10-15-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Son of Gaul

Kelly has already admitted that he will continue to "do what he likes to do" but he has also said that he will be smart about it and not let it affect his career. I know that these are things that professionals should do anyway but he was born and raised in a working class area where drinking is a part of the culture. Give the guy a break.

unless youve ever been with an alcoholic its hard to grasp the entire concept if you have never been with one or have been one yourself.

alcoholics can never, ever drink.

there is no grey area.

a sober kp could present tremedous value for a gambler. a non-sober kp is a fade. 168 is an incredible division and there is no room anywhere for mistakes let alone a severe handicap.

Quincy K · 10-15-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler-Durden

At the same time only Booradley and his delusional crew are believing Pavlik stands a single blind chance.

Kids are so excited because "Garcia taght him to use his left arm".

garcia is one of the most overrated trainer in sports today.

even more so than greg "sport-killer" jackson.

Boxing Fanatic · 10-15-2012, 01:29 PM

arum is dumping him

IntentionalButt · 10-15-2012, 01:47 PM

I think it's easy for Ward; the downside is he won't get much credit for it at this point.

Tyler-Durden · 10-15-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Quincy K

garcia is one of the most overrated trainer in sports today.

even more so than greg "sport-killer" jackson.

Yes that's my opinion too.

Midwest_Chopper · 10-15-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermit

Garcia has Pavlik working on new things. Pavlik's left was always under rated but Garcia is having Kelly use it even more. If Kelly can put it all together, Boo is right, this won't be the fight people expect. Bazooka made the point that in a fight like this Kelly will react instead of think about what he is doing which has been pretty obvious as he has worked in some of his new stuff in his recent bouts.

ron u.k. · 10-15-2012, 02:13 PM

This wouldn't even be close. Pavlik a nightmare for Ward!!?? Surely it's the other way round? A plodding one dimensional fighter who moves in straight lines basically throwing a one two, against a versatile chameleon of a fighter, who'll simply tie him in knots

BOGART · 10-15-2012, 02:17 PM

I like Pavik and would love to see him atleast make this a good fight if it happnes. I just don't think he'll give Ward too many problems.

Pavlik is past his best and even at his peak he could never beat Ward. Pavlik was a good middleweight but Ward could end up going down as a great one. At this point Ward probably wins 10 rounds minimum and I could clearly see him forcing a stoppage in the later rounds.

It would be interesting to see how much credit Ward would get for beating Pavlik. There will be some who say Pavlik is a washed up drunk and give Ward no credit. Others will view Pavlik as past his best but still a good fighter and give Ward credit for beating him, epsecially if he does it convingly, if this fight ever happens.

lern1079 · 10-15-2012, 02:29 PM

This is light work for Ward. Why is this even a discussion?

HitBattousai · 10-15-2012, 02:38 PM

Again, all you have to do is look at Hopkins-Pavlik(and that was Pavlik in his prime) to see the result of this fight. Pavlik has a puncher's chance but that's it. He's just too basic to give Ward any trouble. As to the improvement of his left hand, the only thing Garcia has done is basically tell Kelly to try to catch people with the left hook on occasion.

bailey · 10-15-2012, 04:00 PM

Every Ward opponents has a loss to a fighter dating back to Calzaghe or the great SMW himself.

Ward is in a weak era where he only fights leftovers and fighting Pavlik wont prove a thing for Ward

Chiko_Tech · 10-15-2012, 04:01 PM

Easy fight for Ward, even a fresher Pavlik would strugle against skilled Ward. Ward by easy UD.

dbouziane · 10-15-2012, 04:09 PM

nothing would make me happier than to see kelly pull it off. even as a big ward fan i've pulled for pavlik for years and years.

but just look at what he's done over past few years in and out of the ring. the in-ring product i've seen shouldnt give ward any problems. i just don't see it based on what i've seen lately. kelly will have to accept that he's going to get out boxed and tagged hard in the process and hope for a big punch to give him an opening for a flash stoppage.

he won't win on points and he won't batter ward into submission. in many ways he'll have to hope for that one jcc/martinez moment and capitalize on it.

ImElvis666 · 10-15-2012, 04:16 PM

If Pavlik won more than two rounds, I'd be shocked.

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10-15-2012, 02:13 PM	#53
ron u.k. Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sunderland Posts: 2,466 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward This wouldn't even be close. Pavlik a nightmare for Ward!!?? Surely it's the other way round? A plodding one dimensional fighter who moves in straight lines basically throwing a one two, against a versatile chameleon of a fighter, who'll simply tie him in knots
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10-15-2012, 02:17 PM	#54
BOGART Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 3,248 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward I like Pavik and would love to see him atleast make this a good fight if it happnes. I just don't think he'll give Ward too many problems. Pavlik is past his best and even at his peak he could never beat Ward. Pavlik was a good middleweight but Ward could end up going down as a great one. At this point Ward probably wins 10 rounds minimum and I could clearly see him forcing a stoppage in the later rounds. It would be interesting to see how much credit Ward would get for beating Pavlik. There will be some who say Pavlik is a washed up drunk and give Ward no credit. Others will view Pavlik as past his best but still a good fighter and give Ward credit for beating him, epsecially if he does it convingly, if this fight ever happens.
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10-15-2012, 02:29 PM	#55
lern1079 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 953 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward This is light work for Ward. Why is this even a discussion?
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10-15-2012, 02:38 PM	#56
HitBattousai Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 861 vCash: 1375	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward Again, all you have to do is look at Hopkins-Pavlik(and that was Pavlik in his prime) to see the result of this fight. Pavlik has a puncher's chance but that's it. He's just too basic to give Ward any trouble. As to the improvement of his left hand, the only thing Garcia has done is basically tell Kelly to try to catch people with the left hook on occasion.
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bailey Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 11,651 vCash: 75	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward Every Ward opponents has a loss to a fighter dating back to Calzaghe or the great SMW himself. Ward is in a weak era where he only fights leftovers and fighting Pavlik wont prove a thing for Ward
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10-15-2012, 04:01 PM	#58
Chiko_Tech Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,965 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward Easy fight for Ward, even a fresher Pavlik would strugle against skilled Ward. Ward by easy UD.
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10-15-2012, 04:09 PM	#59
dbouziane Kelly "The Ghost" Pavlik East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Siesta Key/Old Florida Posts: 5,094 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward nothing would make me happier than to see kelly pull it off. even as a big ward fan i've pulled for pavlik for years and years. but just look at what he's done over past few years in and out of the ring. the in-ring product i've seen shouldnt give ward any problems. i just don't see it based on what i've seen lately. kelly will have to accept that he's going to get out boxed and tagged hard in the process and hope for a big punch to give him an opening for a flash stoppage. he won't win on points and he won't batter ward into submission. in many ways he'll have to hope for that one jcc/martinez moment and capitalize on it.
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10-15-2012, 04:16 PM	#60
ImElvis666 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 9,404 vCash: 327381	Re: Pavlik is a bad fight for ward If Pavlik won more than two rounds, I'd be shocked.
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