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Old 10-16-2012, 02:09 AM   #121
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Nice to see it anyway.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:11 AM   #122
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Ward could beat Pavlik handily in a variety of ways. Can't see Pavlik winning a round honestly. He's a good fighter, but he's on the downside of his career and Ward is just too rounded, thinks too well, and the disparity in reaction time is incredibly wide. I think you'd see shades of the Hopkins fight with Ward also doing more to impose himself on the inside and pushing Pavlik back more so than Hopkins did.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:17 AM   #123
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this aint a walkover
Unless Ward has no chin at all, it basically is a walkover.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:36 AM   #124
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The Hopkins comparison is dumb. Hopkins is much, much bigger than Ward, and a much better, more experienced fighter. Pavlik went up to Hopkins weight. Pavlik is the bigger man than Ward with much more power. This fight is a toss up.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:03 AM   #125
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of course you'd have to favor ward here, given recent history, but I would say pavlik is a live dog still.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:06 AM   #126
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I read all your posts before I picked up a quote. I like the way you're thinking, and agree with you 100%. Beat Rodriguez on HBO, and then go after AA. Abraham spent a couple years talking smack, and then ducking behind the scenes. If KP were to bring that old stuff up, and start publicly calling for AA to put up or apoligize, that would be a smart move, and good marketing.
Here we go again.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:26 AM   #127
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The Hopkins comparison is dumb. Hopkins is much, much bigger than Ward, and a much better, more experienced fighter. Pavlik went up to Hopkins weight. Pavlik is the bigger man than Ward with much more power. This fight is a toss up.
How is it dumb? Ward was able to outbox Dawson, something Hopkins couldn't do (I'll give you the fact that Hopkins is old but still). I wouldn't say he's significantly better. So basically it's a toss-up because Pavlik is bigger and stronger?

I'm sorry, but you need to bring more than that to a fight to beat a fighter like Ward.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:58 AM   #128
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ward an hopkins are two completely different fighters. retarded comparison
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:54 AM   #129
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ward an hopkins are two completely different fighters. retarded comparison
Yes it is a ridiculous comparison. Hopkins is bigger, stronger, smarter, and far more versatile than Ward.

Ward does one thing -- rush-headbutt-punch, rush-headbutt-punch, over and over. He's extremely good at that, but at the moment Andre Ward is nowhere near BHop.

Ward at 28 is better than Hops at 28, but he is NOT even close to BHOP from age 35-45.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:03 AM   #130
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Let's try a little reality check.

In 42 fights Pavlik had trouble with cuts ONE TIME, and in that fight the cut man was so incompetent that when he went to pick up his check Cameron Duncan gave him half the money, and said, "Get the **** out of my office, and don't ever let me see your face again!"

In 42 fights Pavlik has been seriously hurt ONE TIME. Hopkins hit him almost at will, and never came close to putting him away. When Lampley ask BHop if he was trying to knock Kelly out, Bernard said emphatically, "YES, ABSOLUTELY."

Andre Ward WILL NOT stop Pavlik, or even come close to stopping him. There may be some beast out there on the rise who will eventually knock KP out, but Andre Ward is no beast. Ward couldn't even stop a seriously faded Miranda; a guy Bute, Abraham, and Pavlik all beat seven shades of shit out of.
why are you comparing the pavlik of 07-08 to the pavlik of 2012? two different fighters.

and **** cameron blaming the cutman. it was dunkins responsibility to oversee everything in kp's corner which he failed at.

pavlik shouldve told cameron to get the **** out of here and dont ever let me see your face again.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:10 AM   #131
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well hopkins outboxed pavlik. so durrrrr ward wil do it worse.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:27 AM   #132
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Pavlik is tailor made for Ward.
Is gonna be worse than Hopkins vs Pavlik
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:37 PM   #133
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Yes it is a ridiculous comparison. Hopkins is bigger, stronger, smarter, and far more versatile than Ward.

Ward does one thing -- rush-headbutt-punch, rush-headbutt-punch, over and over. He's extremely good at that, but at the moment Andre Ward is nowhere near BHop.

Ward at 28 is better than Hops at 28, but he is NOT even close to BHOP from age 35-45.
Seriously

A man of your advanced age shouldn't be so delusional, it's sad to see actually.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:47 PM   #134
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The only times Kelly has been the underdog in a fight were against Taylor (1) and Miranda. You see what happened in both of those fights!
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:01 PM   #135
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I'd rather see him face some other SMW.
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