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Old 10-15-2012, 06:32 PM   #16
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Hasegawa was never the lineal champ either.
Top dog Rafa Marquez never fought Hasegawa nor Sahaprom #2 and 3 who in fact, did fight each other in the year prior to Marquez moving up for the Vasquez match. So is it null even though they became the defacto #1 and 2 due to a miniscule timing difference? Add to the fact that the next number #3 in Sydorenko got brutalized by Donaire directly and Rafa ended up losing to Nishioka anyway so...
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:35 PM   #17
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Interesting list, but i'd have Ward lower and Sergio higher

Floyd
Marquez
Donaire
Pacquiao
Bradley
Sergio
Ward
I'd have Sergio even higher.

Floyd
Sergio
Pacquiao
Donaire
Ward
Marquez
Wlad
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:39 PM   #18
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lineal shmineal.

in 3 divisions he's been the number 1 fighter: FLW, BW, SBW.
Well it does help underline the accomplishments in a historical sense
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:40 PM   #19
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This is his first
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:47 PM   #20
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Well it does help underline the accomplishments in a historical sense
not really.

it leaves a nice paper trail but that's all.

hell, shannon briggs won a lineal claim but it really a historical achievement?
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:54 PM   #21
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not really.

it leaves a nice paper trail but that's all.

hell, shannon briggs won a lineal claim but it really a historical achievement?
you think the paper trail is insignificant?

most casual fans that hear armstrong, immediately recall the 3 concurrent titles he held- numbers make a difference
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:57 PM   #22
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not really.

it leaves a nice paper trail but that's all.

hell, shannon briggs won a lineal claim but it really a historical achievement?

Briggs didn't win anything.

Though Foreman didn't represent it too well in terms of opposition after beating Moorer.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:01 PM   #23
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Lineal title, especially with the Ring's recent rule changes for lineal titles plus overall questionable ranking decisions, lineal title means nothing more than what each fan individually views.

At this point, being "the best guy" regardless of paper trail means more. Plenty of people think Huck/Ross/Afolabi/Lebedev are better than YPH, that Matthysse is better than Garcia, and that a whole slew of flyweights are better than Igarashi.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:31 PM   #24
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you think the paper trail is insignificant?

most casual fans that hear armstrong, immediately recall the 3 concurrent titles he held- numbers make a difference
but all lineal is, is a concept.

At one point in time Armstrong was the consensus best from FW-WW, that's astonishing, not because of his lineal titles, but because he was the best fighter in 3 of the 8 divisions.

Some people say linearity traces back to 1 v 2, some say otherwise, it's all subjective, like almost all of boxing.

What's important is not what title a man holds, but whether that man is the best of the bunch of people holding titles in that division.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:34 PM   #25
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It's time for Donaire to step up to the FEATHERWEIGHTERS. Sick and tired of him fighting these scared bums who wont fight.Guys like Gamboa, De leon, Salido will not be afraid to bring it. Pacquiao met some stern opposition up @ 126.If Donaire is legit that's where he would go.

BTW Rigobum is another of these bums that will shell up in the square circle.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:42 PM   #26
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I dont see how Montiel wasn't the lineal/undisputed champ at 118. Ciso Morales, Hasegawa, then Concepcion. Montiel was on an absolute tear before he faced Donaire.
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