ROCK JAW (Neck & Jaw Strengthener for boxers)

[viru§™]

I'll start from the beginning.

Originally Posted by tmsbry

Strong legs= Strong Jaw. Nothing to do with neck/jaw muscles0

Strong legs = a solid base. No problem agreeing with that.

How you've come up with solid base = strong jaw just isn't logical to me. You''ll have to explain in more detail why having a solid base means you magically have a solid jaw. It makes no sense whatsoever.

& name me one exercise that strengthens bones,

Any weight bearing exercise will strengthen bones...

Legs are you're anchor's, stronger a persons legs are the better they can deal with & take shots,

Being able to deal with shots is very broad when you're talking about stability. Anyway, this is about the relationship between leg strength and jaw strength.

Powerlifting & boxing are 2 different sports first of all

Obviously. I was using an extreme example which you avoided answering by pretty much saying "Oh well it hasn't been tested so I think I'm right". I could do the same pointless thing - it's never been tested and proven, so you're wrong.

Just saying something doesn't make something true.

But the khan example is fact, stronger legs= better punch resistance

Khan is an example of somebody who can't take a punch. Period. Explain to me how you've come to the conclusion his shitty ability to take a punch comes down to the fact he has weak legs. Also, give me details of every exercise he does for his legs so we can all avoid having weak legs and apparently weak jaws. After that you can tell me how much weight you need to be able to squat to prevent yourself being knocked out by your next opponent.

You can use false "facts" like this to prove anything. If a guy lifts weights and loses the clueless blame the weight training, nothing to do with the guy not having the energy due to not eating, didn't get enough sleep, had a massive adrenaline dump which tired him out, had an injury which fucked him over, dehydrated etc. There's many many reasons why people lose fights. Just picking out one aspect of their training and saying "The fact he lost proves what I'm saying" in fact does not prove a damn thing.

Yeah I agree, but stronger legs & base, are more useful in taking shots than a strong neck,

They're both equally important in their own right.

[Cut Me Mick]

In my opinion if you're born without the ability to take a punch there's very little you can do to improve it except work on defence.

I think a strong chin is something you're born with. Froch has skinny legs and takes a punch better than anyone.

[doylexxx]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

I'm having a hard time understanding why some of you think the product would not help a fighter???? The exercise strengthens the back of the neck and also the jaw muscle.Victor Ortiz just lost a bout from a broken jaw. Many fighters get their jaw broken in sparring sessions and in bouts. I can't believe the hatefull comments I have read in this forum. I think the hateful comments are made because misery loves company. Not because of the product. If i were to come on the forum and show a bag of rocks with a rope ,artwork and a mouthguard and ask $60 bucks for it..I could understand...but $5 dollars??

Most of the sales I get are from EBAY and i have had many people write to me and comment how great it works.
Why is your jaw and neck any different from theirs?

I bet if Manny Pacquiao invented Rock Jaw ...none of you would hate on it.

You reference Ortiz right here and on your site other fighters who have been KOed or jaws broken in fights...

somehow alluding to the fact that your product would stop this from happening.

You have no proof of this. None !!

Ortizs jaw was broken because his mouth was open and he was hit hard, a jaw is easily broken with an open mouth.

Do you think that if he swung that sack from his lips that this would prevent that ?? Because you are alluding to that, and that's a baseless claim.

You're selling the product, prove it works !!

If you stand there with a open mouth and a professional boxer like Josesito Lopez lands a haymaker on it , it's getting broken no 2 ways about it.

[rockjaw]

The Rock Jaw puts pressure on the jaw muscle...the muscle of the jaw is what supports your jaw. This is common sense and if you guys are really athletes you would understand this. Do I have to explain why using a weight on your forearm makes your forearm strong for arm wrestling tournaments?
Punches are landed directly on your jaw in boxing and in MMA bouts. This does not need a scientist in a lab to prove the product works, it needs a buyer with common sense.

And yes packaging the product is a good idea. I'm going to do that.

I want to thank you guys for the sales.

[Brand NOOBian]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

The Rock Jaw puts pressure on the jaw muscle...the muscle of the jaw is what supports your jaw. This is common sense and if you guys are really athletes you would understand this. Do I have to explain why using a weight on your forearm makes your forearm strong for arm wrestling tournaments?*
Punches are landed directly on your jaw in boxing and in MMA bouts. This does not need a scientist in a lab to prove the product works, it needs a buyer with common sense.

And yes packaging the product is a good idea. I'm going to do that.*

I want to thank you guys for the sales.

From popularmechanics.com:"The Science of a Boxing Knockout"

So what causes a knockout? Concussions, and lots of them. While it often seems as though the effect is caused by a single well-placed shot, it is usually the result of many quick punches. Each punch creates a concussion (technically defined as any head injury that causes a disruption of neurological function), and each concussion brings the boxer closer to a state of darkness.*

Here's how it happens: The body contains dissolved sodium, potassium and calcium, collectively known as electrolytes, which are responsible for conducting impulses along neurons. Every time a fighter receives a blow to a nerve, potassium leaves the cell and calcium rushes in, destabilizing the electrolyte balance, while the brain does all it can to keep these levels in balance. With each successive blow, this balance becomes harder and harder to maintain, and more and more energy must be spent in the process. When the body reaches the point where the damage outweighs the body's ability to repair itself, the brain shuts down to conserve enough energy to fix the injured neurons at a later point.

From livestrong.com: "How Does a Punch to the Jaw Cause a Knockout?"

Jaw Impact
A punch to the jaw causes the head to suddenly spin around. This can be to the left, to the right, or to the back. This quick motion of the skull causes trauma to the brain that leads to a knockout. Points on the jaw that are especially vulnerable to knockouts are the sides of the chin, and where the jaw is attached to the rest of the skull.

Acceleration and Deceleration
When the jaw is punched, the head quickly accelerates around. After a fraction of a second, it quickly decelerates as muscles, tendons, and bones prevent the head from spinning any further. The brain inside the skull is floating in fluid. It accelerates slower than the rest of the head. This forces it to crash into the inside of the skull when the head stops.

Brain Trauma
When the brain slams into the inside of the skull, it suffers trauma. It then bounces off the inside of the skull and slams into the opposite side. This causes even more trauma. Depending on the force of the punch, this can happen several times before the brain comes to rest inside the skull.

Nervous System Response
The trauma to the brain stimulates an overwhelming number of neurotransmitters to fire at the same time. This essentially overloads the nervous system sending it into a state of temporary paralysis. The person who is hit in the jaw loses consciousness and their muscles relax. They fall to the ground with no memory of being hit.

After reading the two articles, common sense tells me that strengthening my jaw muscle via "Rock Jaw" will not help me take a punch. If you were promoting a product that claims to increase forearm strength, then I'd like to see scientific studies that prove this as well. But you're not. You're claiming to improve jaw strength that will in turn reduce the chances of a knockout, which I don't quite buy based on your*argument* Common sense also tells me that by subtly implying that those who question your product lack common sense is not a good way to do business.

[tmsbry]

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[Cut Me Mick]

This thread just got KO'd.

[rockjaw]

Jack Dempsey chewed turpentine gum to strengthen his jaw through his carreer. And it was a complete waste of his time according to what you believe. Your post is rambling on about being knocked out. My website does not state anywhere or talk about being knocked out. It states that athletes can now strengthen their neck and jaw Period. The Rock Jaw Strengthens the jaw and neck because it puts pressure and resistance on the muscles. This can help your jaw from being broken because the muscle is what holds the jaw in place. Yes..it is nothing more than common sense. Guys please keep the posts going im getting many sales from the forum..thanks

[doylexxx]

Rock Jaw you keep avoiding the questions.

WHY do you show boxers on your website and mention guys like Ortiz-


you are alluding that your product can prevent somebody like Ortiz's jaw from breaking, but you are careful not to mention it specifically. It's god awful marketing.


We all know that you like to have a nice sack real close to your man pleasers but this is just ridiculous !!!

[irishny]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

Guys you need to think about your rude comments. In 1974 a man named Gary Dahl sat at a bar with his friends and told them he was going to invent a Pet Rock..his friends laughed at him and his idea and told him what a stupid idea that is. Mr. Dahl went through with his idea and in 6 months time he sold over 5 million Pet Rocks. He banked over 15million bucks and closed his business.
Rock Jaw is a new product and it works very well. .yes people buy it. Don't hate...congratulate.

Best of luck.
The actual idea behind the product is pretty solid. It will stregthen the jaw line and neck.

Ive seen far worse and more gimicky products on my time.

[rockjaw]

@ Irishny

You have common sense. These guys want scientific proof because they can't comprehend that a bag of rocks with a mouthguard puts pressure on the jaw muscle and strengthens the neck and jaw. Those who want to box and compete with a weak jaw and neck,..that's your choice.

Ya know what...maybe Doc Brown from Back to The Future should do a test on The Rock Jaw. The sales would increase.

Or...I can spar with The Rock Jaw haters and we can find out who has a better chin. I've been using it for 2 months, 165lbs age 39 in Deltona Florida. Lets do the test with some 10oz gloves and no head hear.Mail me and come find me.

[doylexxx]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

@ Irishny

You have common sense. These guys want scientific proof because they can't comprehend that a bag of rocks with a mouthguard puts pressure on the jaw muscle and strengthens the neck and jaw. Those who want to box and compete with a weak jaw and neck,..that's your choice.

Ya know what...maybe Doc Brown from Back to The Future should do a test on The Rock Jaw. The sales would increase.

Or...I can spar with The Rock Jaw haters and we can find out who has a better chin. I've been using it for 2 months, 165lbs age 39 in Deltona Florida. Lets do the test with some 10oz gloves and no head hear.Mail me and come find me.

Sparring wont prove shit.

We all know your product helps the jaw...LOOK AT VICTOR ORTIZ he broke hsi jaw in a fight.


We need you to stand with an open mouth and let a pro hit you with a haymaker , so you can show us that it works !

[viru§™]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

@ Irishny

You have common sense. These guys want scientific proof because they can't comprehend that a bag of rocks with a mouthguard puts pressure on the jaw muscle and strengthens the neck and jaw. Those who want to box and compete with a weak jaw and neck,..that's your choice.

Ya know what...maybe Doc Brown from Back to The Future should do a test on The Rock Jaw. The sales would increase.

Or...I can spar with The Rock Jaw haters and we can find out who has a better chin. I've been using it for 2 months, 165lbs age 39 in Deltona Florida. Lets do the test with some 10oz gloves and no head hear.Mail me and come find me.

Insulting your potential customers, which you've done repeatedly, isn't the best way to conduct business. Just sayin'.

[Brand NOOBian]

Originally Posted by rockjaw

@ Irishny

You have common sense. These guys want scientific proof because they can't comprehend that a bag of rocks with a mouthguard puts pressure on the jaw muscle and strengthens the neck and jaw. Those who want to box and compete with a weak jaw and neck,..that's your choice.

Ya know what...maybe Doc Brown from Back to The Future should do a test on The Rock Jaw. The sales would increase.

Or...I can spar with The Rock Jaw haters and we can find out who has a better chin. I've been using it for 2 months, 165lbs age 39 in Deltona Florida. Lets do the test with some 10oz gloves and no head hear.Mail me and come find me.

Just wanna make it clear that I said I respected that you invented, and are trying to promote, a product that you believe in. But seeing as how amateur your website/product looks, I offered constructive criticism to help you and your business come off as more professional so that your product would be more appealing to a wider customer base. The suggestion to get scientific research done to back up the claims of your product was not me "hating" or doubting your product. Rather, it was a suggestion for you to up your marketing and credentials to convince more potential customers to buy your product. Just like my suggestion to improve the packaging of your product, which you actually liked the idea of. However, you chose to take it as a personal attack against your product and are now resorting to insulting the very people you are trying to appeal to and challenging them to fights over the internet, all at the age of 39. Wow. Congrats to you sir. The entrepreneurial expertise, marketing and product packaging ingenuity, innovative website design, and professional maturity you bring to the world of boxing equipment sets an example for all other aspiring boxers and inventors to follow.




For everyone else: Google = free

Jaw Muscle Stretch

This is a patient exercise for the jaw from the NHS Orkney health board in Scotland. This exercise loosens and warms up the jaw for exercise. Sit with your back straight, relax your and lower your shoulders. Relax your jaw and make an "mmm" sound making sure your teeth do not make contact.

Next, move the jaw up and down and side to side using small-relaxed motions. Now that your jaw is warm, open and close your mouth then move your jaw forward, back and then side-to-side. Repeat this exercise 10 times.

Jaw Resistance Exercise

This exercise builds muscles by using your hand for resistance. Make a fist and place it below your chin. Try opening your mouth while keeping pressure under your jaw, hold for 10 seconds and release. Next, place you thumb against your chin and try to push forward while keeping resistance with your thumb, hold for 10 seconds. Use your thumb in the same manner for side-to-side movements using resistance.

Next, open your mouth as wide as possible. Place your fingers against your lower teeth and try to close your mouth against the resistance of your fingers. Hold this position for 10 seconds.

Open your mouth as wide as possible. Then use your fingers to open your mouth even wider. Hold for 10 seconds and relax.

All sections of this exercise should be repeated 10 times.

Neck Flexion

This is a three-step exercise that works the front, back and sides of the neck.

Using a weight bench, lie on your back with your head hanging over the end of the bench. Keep your head parallel to your body. Holding your head against gravity builds muscle strength. Bring your head up slowly and tuck your chin resting it on your chest. Slowly return your head to a parallel position using a count of five. Repeat five times.

Step 2 works the back of the neck. Roll onto your stomach with your head still over the end of the bench. Keep your head parallel with your body, tuck your chin into your chest and then return to the starting position using a count of five. Repeat five times.

Step 3 works the sides of the neck. Roll onto your side with your head in line with your body. Lift your head to your shoulder and then return to the starting position. Repeat five times. Now, roll over on your other side and repeat.

These exercises can be done using a light free weight also. Cover a round plate with a towel and place it on your head while performing these exercises.

[moesizlak]

You cant make a good chin you either got it or you aint