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Old 10-23-2012, 07:15 AM   #1
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Default The Brawl in Montreal - who would defeat Duran on that night?

That hungry man killer who'd just dominated the LW division and HOF opposition at WW. The one who would rip the title from Leonard in a fight Sugar said felt like "death".

How many from the annals of WW history would have denied Roberto Duran that night? How many would you be comfortable in favouring over Duran that night?

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Old 10-23-2012, 07:31 AM   #2
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Should be favoured:

Kid Gavilan. Styles.
Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar.
Tommy Hearns. Physical equipment.
Mickey Walker. Too much monster.

Interesting Possibilities but no money down.:

Armstrong - near Duran's natural size which should give anyone pause based upon that performance, but Hank could also out-monster the monster. Duran was more skilled, but Armstrong is utterly unbreakable and it's possible that he would do more landing and swarming down the straight.

Emile Grifith: An uber-spoiler with elite strength might be just the ticket here. It's hard to see Griffith outlanding Duran in very many rounds but he holds some of the similar aces to Gavilan - negates the brawling portion of the Duran style the was so key here with physical attributes and technical delivery. Could certainly be out-worked generally and out-hit int he pocket, but Duran might not like what he gets.

Fritzie Zivic: Especially under his own ruleset, Zivic is only a slight underdog if at all. Duran's aggressive pursuit would open up numerous countering possibilities and the range opens the bag on the ultimate back-alley wizard's numerous store of tricks and fouls. Would lose under the ruleset that goverened the fight in Montreal I suppose.


Other possibilities: Felix Trinidad and Joe Walcott, though clearly inferior in terms of skill are packing the kind of dynamite that cost Duran so dearly versus Hearns. Although it should be pointed out that neither have that lazer-guided accuracy that served Tommy so well and that they would probably both get badly out-boxed, 15 rounds is a long time, especially against the Barbados Demon.
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Should be favoured:

Kid Gavilan. Styles.
Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar.
Tommy Hearns. Physical equipment.
Mickey Walker. Too much monster.

Interesting Possibilities but no money down.:

Armstrong - near Duran's natural size which should give anyone pause based upon that performance, but Hank could also out-monster the monster. Duran was more skilled, but Armstrong is utterly unbreakable and it's possible that he would do more landing and swarming down the straight.

Emile Grifith: An uber-spoiler with elite strength might be just the ticket here. It's hard to see Griffith outlanding Duran in very many rounds but he holds some of the similar aces to Gavilan - negates the brawling portion of the Duran style the was so key here with physical attributes and technical delivery. Could certainly be out-worked generally and out-hit int he pocket, but Duran might not like what he gets.

Fritzie Zivic: Especially under his own ruleset, Zivic is only a slight underdog if at all. Duran's aggressive pursuit would open up numerous countering possibilities and the range opens the bag on the ultimate back-alley wizard's numerous store of tricks and fouls. Would lose under the ruleset that goverened the fight in Montreal I suppose.


Other possibilities: Felix Trinidad and Joe Walcott, though clearly inferior in terms of skill are packing the kind of dynamite that cost Duran so dearly versus Hearns. Although it should be pointed out that neither have that lazer-guided accuracy that served Tommy so well and that they would probably both get badly out-boxed, 15 rounds is a long time, especially against the Barbados Demon.
Gavilan is an interesting call.

I agree with pretty much everything there, I reckon Barbados could well be the hardest p4p puncher in history.
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Hearns would have beaten him in about 5 rounds. Benitez had the style and Leonard had he fought his fight. Mayweather maybe if he fought his fight, but he couldn't get on the ropes like he did against Cotto.
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Hearns would have beaten him in about 5 rounds. Benitez had the style and Leonard had he fought his fight. Mayweather maybe if he fought his fight, but he couldn't get on the ropes like he did against Cotto.
Well we know Leonard wouldn't beat him that night because he actually lost to him that night

It's the one pick we can be 100% about.
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oh also Pernell Whitaker. What it takes to beat Duran is elite speed and skills. I don't put down his greatness, I just say he could be beaten with speed, and when he was beaten with speed sometimes it was oneside, regardless of people saying he was past lightweight. He still fought well. Fact is he never fought guys like Leonard,Hearns,Benitez,Hagler at lightweight. If you gave Duran a fight he would find his punches and he was so smart he would take over. You had to be one step ahead of him.
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Well we know Leonard wouldn't beat him that night because he actually lost to him that night

It's the one pick we can be 100% about.
He lost a decision yes. But I think the second Duran fight Leonard would have beaten Duran in the first fight. Leonard fighting his fight always beats Duran 10/10 times.
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He lost a decision yes. But I think the second Duran fight Leonard would have beaten Duran in the first fight. Leonard fighting his fight always beats Duran 10/10 times.
Well, again, we can bee 100% certain that Leonard wouldn't beat him that night because he actually fought him that night and lost.
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Well, again, we can bee 100% certain that Leonard wouldn't beat him that night because he actually fought him that night and lost.
the question was who could beat him. Duran lost to him, but had Leonard of Nov. 1980 or later fought Duran in June of 1980 he would win. Leonard needed the extra experience of knowing that getting emotional and trying to beat Duran at his own game would not work.
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Mag, you pick Tyson to beat Douglas in Tokyo?
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the question was who could beat him. Duran lost to him, but had Leonard of Nov. 1980 or later fought Duran in June of 1980 he would win. Leonard needed the extra experience of knowing that getting emotional and trying to beat Duran at his own game would not work.
Leonard actually lost in Montreal. You do know this right?
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Mag, you pick Tyson to beat Douglas in Tokyo?
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Mag, you pick Tyson to beat Douglas in Tokyo?
so if I say Donald Curry could beat Duran, I have to mean the Donald Curry of June of 1980? And the same principle applies to Tyson and Douglas. Mike Tyson of 1987 knocks out Douglas of Feb 11, 1990 in 2 rounds. I think it was Feb. 11.
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I admire your consistency.
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Leonard actually lost in Montreal. You do know this right?
you guys are asking who would defeat Duran on that night as though the Leonard of June 1980 was the Leonard who fought Hearns on Sept 16, 1981. Yet my whole points have been Ray was a better fighter when he learned a lesson from Duran in June of 1980. Sort of like having a thread. How would Julian Jackson who knocked out Terry Norris do if he fought the Mike McCallum who stopped him in 1986.
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