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MichiganWarrior · 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

i'm not sure what you mean. but obvious ATG from our era are:
Manny, Floyd, Oscar, Mosley, Jones, Calaghe, Hopkins, Lewis, Kosta, Barrera, Morales, Marquez.

There are more but can't e bothered naming. Then there prime is debatable depending who you ask. But they all have them.

Calzaghe and Tsyu arent ATGs. Tsyu lost to fucking vicent phillips.

VivaNazVegas · 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

none of these are prime ATG's

Yes they are

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

none of these are prime ATG's. Only Marquez is an ATG on this list and he wasn't near his prime

No shit man. Even if Floyd beats Pac today he is not considered in prime. But when Pac is in prime he is not an ATG. Serious people some use some logic before they start accusing boxers.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

John is virtually impossible for someone to be "in prime" and atg at the same time.... same as HOFer in prime.

use your noggin. We know which fighters from this area will be remembered as an ATG. We're here living in it.

No they haven't been declared it cos there still fighting. But we all know which ones will.

Mind Reader · 10-29-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

John is virtually impossible for someone to be "in prime" and atg at the same time.... same as HOFer in prime.

You should be able to look back in hindsight, and realize the person was ATG, and prime or close to it.. Such as Jones Hopkins..

At the time, both were just contenders, had no idea both would go on to legendary careers afterwards.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Calzaghe and Tsyu arent ATGs. Tsyu lost to fucking vicent phillips.

Calzzaghe will be remembered as one. I don't agree personally. But any fighter that is awarded 3 best boxer of a decade will also be remembered as an ATG.

Kosta is borderline, but i personally think he will be.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

No shit man. Even if Floyd beats Pac today he is not considered in prime. But when Pac is in prime he is not an ATG. Serious people some use some logic before they start accusing boxers.

i agree. im not accusing him.

The point of the thread is: Are there any examples of other boxers that have managed to go through 5 divisions at floyds level, without ever facing a prime ATG.

I'm not accusing, I'm asking if there are any other examples.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

use your noggin. We know which fighters from this area will be remembered as an ATG. We're here living in it.

No they haven't been declared it cos there still fighting. But we all know which ones will.

Examples please. Don't just say it which boxer today has beaten a prime ATG

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

Examples please. Don't just say it which boxer today has beaten a prime ATG

Too many to mention.
Barrera, Morales, Pac, Jones, Trinidad, and on and on and on

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

i agree. im not accusing him.

The point of the thread is: Are there any examples of other boxers that have managed to go through 5 divisions at floyds level, without ever facing a prime ATG.

I'm not accusing, I'm asking if there are any other examples.

ATGs are being judged throughout their career as a whole. Whole as in their complete career. You can assume someone will become ATG. Keyword assume.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:54 PM

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tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

Too many to mention.
Barrera, Morales, Pac, Jones, Trinidad, and on and on and on

Bull shit. examples. I don't need a lot I just need one. Judging by the list u just provided than FLoyd has as well then.

Primenal · 10-29-2012, 01:59 PM

Floyd has a good resume, but when compared to somebody like Pac that was jumping up in weight... Doesn't compare. Floyd actually used to fight really good competition, but last 5 years or so has really cherry picked. Makes Hatton move up, makes Marquez move up almost 2 weight classes, fights an older Mosley but he was coming off a good win (so did Pac though), fights Ortiz who didn't deserve it, etc.
I'm thinking you will be able to add guys like Broner to your list pretty soon for those who jump so many divisons but never fight any greats.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

ATGs are being judged throughout their career as a whole. Whole as in their complete career. You can assume someone will become ATG. Keyword assume.

ok fine, you don't have the ability to figure out who the ATG's are from our era,

you don't have to play

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 02:02 PM

This thread is just a typical lame attempt to discredit Floyd's resume which in reality you can switch Floyd to ANY boxer's name instead and they will ALL FAIL. Because Again, i can't emphasis enough. There is no such thing to be "IN PRIME" and Already an ATG. Virtually impossible bc ATG is judged by their career as a whole.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Floyd's opposition who he has beaten Prime undefeated fighters to out of prime and in prime opponent. The man has done it all. The only thing that DQed him as being a GOAT is that his pro career doesn't consist of 100+ fights.

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Primenal Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 1000	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? Floyd has a good resume, but when compared to somebody like Pac that was jumping up in weight... Doesn't compare. Floyd actually used to fight really good competition, but last 5 years or so has really cherry picked. Makes Hatton move up, makes Marquez move up almost 2 weight classes, fights an older Mosley but he was coming off a good win (so did Pac though), fights Ortiz who didn't deserve it, etc. I'm thinking you will be able to add guys like Broner to your list pretty soon for those who jump so many divisons but never fight any greats.
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tliang1000 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,009 vCash: 79444	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? This thread is just a typical lame attempt to discredit Floyd's resume which in reality you can switch Floyd to ANY boxer's name instead and they will ALL FAIL. Because Again, i can't emphasis enough. There is no such thing to be "IN PRIME" and Already an ATG. Virtually impossible bc ATG is judged by their career as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Floyd's opposition who he has beaten Prime undefeated fighters to out of prime and in prime opponent. The man has done it all. The only thing that DQed him as being a GOAT is that his pro career doesn't consist of 100+ fights.
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