The "Whine About Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!! - Page 231

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

use your noggin. We know which fighters from this area will be remembered as an ATG. We're here living in it.

No they haven't been declared it cos there still fighting. But we all know which ones will.

Examples please. Don't just say it which boxer today has beaten a prime ATG

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

Examples please. Don't just say it which boxer today has beaten a prime ATG

Too many to mention.
Barrera, Morales, Pac, Jones, Trinidad, and on and on and on

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

i agree. im not accusing him.

The point of the thread is: Are there any examples of other boxers that have managed to go through 5 divisions at floyds level, without ever facing a prime ATG.

I'm not accusing, I'm asking if there are any other examples.

ATGs are being judged throughout their career as a whole. Whole as in their complete career. You can assume someone will become ATG. Keyword assume.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 01:54 PM

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tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

Too many to mention.
Barrera, Morales, Pac, Jones, Trinidad, and on and on and on

Bull shit. examples. I don't need a lot I just need one. Judging by the list u just provided than FLoyd has as well then.

Primenal · 10-29-2012, 01:59 PM

Floyd has a good resume, but when compared to somebody like Pac that was jumping up in weight... Doesn't compare. Floyd actually used to fight really good competition, but last 5 years or so has really cherry picked. Makes Hatton move up, makes Marquez move up almost 2 weight classes, fights an older Mosley but he was coming off a good win (so did Pac though), fights Ortiz who didn't deserve it, etc.
I'm thinking you will be able to add guys like Broner to your list pretty soon for those who jump so many divisons but never fight any greats.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

ATGs are being judged throughout their career as a whole. Whole as in their complete career. You can assume someone will become ATG. Keyword assume.

ok fine, you don't have the ability to figure out who the ATG's are from our era,

you don't have to play

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 02:02 PM

This thread is just a typical lame attempt to discredit Floyd's resume which in reality you can switch Floyd to ANY boxer's name instead and they will ALL FAIL. Because Again, i can't emphasis enough. There is no such thing to be "IN PRIME" and Already an ATG. Virtually impossible bc ATG is judged by their career as a whole.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Floyd's opposition who he has beaten Prime undefeated fighters to out of prime and in prime opponent. The man has done it all. The only thing that DQed him as being a GOAT is that his pro career doesn't consist of 100+ fights.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

Bull shit. examples. I don't need a lot I just need one. Judging by the list u just provided than FLoyd has as well then.

you can't play because you don;t know which fighters are going to be ATG's.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

ok fine, you don't have the ability to figure out who the ATG's are from our era,

you don't have to play

No one has the ability to figure that out. As soon as one person names one example, it would be bullshit. If you don't believe me just name one.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

This thread is just a typical lame attempt to discredit Floyd's resume which in reality you can switch Floyd to ANY boxer's name instead and they will ALL FAIL. Because Again, i can't emphasis enough. There is no such thing to be "IN PRIME" and Already an ATG. Virtually impossible bc ATG is judged by their career as a whole.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Floyd's opposition who he has beaten Prime undefeated fighters to out of prime and in prime opponent. The man has done it all. They only that DQed him as being a GOAT is that his pro career doesn't consist of 100+ fights.

yes that's why he's not the GOAT. Nothing to do with the fact he's never fought a prime ATG, let alone beat one.

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

No one has the ability to figure that out. As soon as one person names one example, it would be bullshit. If you don't believe me just name one.

your so annoying.

Lennox Lewis is an ATG. his prime was 95 to 2000.
Mosley s ATG, his prime was at lightweight
Floyd is an ATG. his prime is at Super feather

there are more but you only wanted one. I gave you three

turbotime · 10-29-2012, 02:06 PM

Kostya Tzyu is one.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

yes that's why he's not the GOAT. Nothing to do with the fact he's never fought a prime ATG, let alone beat one.

Then who has? I'm still waiting. Bc that list of boxers that u threw out a few minutes ago, Floyd has achieved everything they did.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

your so annoying.

Lennox Lewis is an ATG. his prime was 95 to 2000.
Mosley s ATG, his prime was at lightweight
Floyd is an ATG. his prime is at Super feather

there are more but you only wanted one. I gave you three

No. Give me who fought who that is "prime ATG"

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tliang1000 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,077 vCash: 90872	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? This thread is just a typical lame attempt to discredit Floyd's resume which in reality you can switch Floyd to ANY boxer's name instead and they will ALL FAIL. Because Again, i can't emphasis enough. There is no such thing to be "IN PRIME" and Already an ATG. Virtually impossible bc ATG is judged by their career as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Floyd's opposition who he has beaten Prime undefeated fighters to out of prime and in prime opponent. The man has done it all. The only thing that DQed him as being a GOAT is that his pro career doesn't consist of 100+ fights.
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