The "Whine About Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!! - Page 244

crazy8s · 10-30-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by anj

People are pretty dumb on this thread.

The OP is saying Mayweather did not face any fighters in their prime who went on to be considered ATG.

It's true. Mayweather did not ever face a fighter in their prime who will be considered an ATG.
i.e Marquez, 37 years old when Mayweather fought him. Mayweather made him move up 2 weight classes pretty much. Marquez will be considered an ATG. By that time he was already considered an ATG anyways.

Mayweather's resume is good. He is an ATG, but there are many other fighters i.e Oscar De La Hoya, who has a greater resume, despite Mayweather having zero losses.
Oscar for example has fought greater opposition.

However, if at identical weights with Barrera, Morales, Hamed, Marquez in his prime, Tszyu and all of the other ATG's of this era...Mayweather may as well have them on his resume as we know he would beat them.

No he didn't. He was clearly stating ATG at the time they fought. He may have back-tracked since then, because people have pointed out how absurd that is. But that's what he was saying.

Even if we look at it from the perspective of "went on to become ATGs," it gets even more absurd.

A fighter's resume should be based on how their opponents are viewed at the time, not based on hindsight. I'll give you an example.

Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez - Williams' stock may have dropped substantially in the tail end of his career, but Martinez still gets credit for being 1 of only 2 people who had the balls to face him when EVERYBODY from 147 to 160 was ducking him like their lives depended on it.

The Mangler · 10-30-2012, 12:25 AM

Nobody hates unbeaten guys simply cuz they unbeaten. It's cuz of sumthin they said, did, or most importantly, didn't do.

Leonit · 10-30-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elninochino

Hatton fight wasnt a catchweight nor was he coming off a loss. And he fought Hatton at his weight, in which he was formidable and was never even KD at that weight.

I've seen Haton down at 140 but the discussion has sunk so low that I'm not sure who is serious and who is trolling.

igor_otsky · 10-30-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

Floyd Haters are grasping at straws. At first is that Floyd hasn't fought anyone, then is he hasn't fought a prime fighter, then is he hasn't fought an undefeated prime fighter, then it is he hasn't fought a in prime/hofer, AND NOW is he hasn't fought a in prime ATG.

Floyd hasnt fought SRR, SRL, Haggy, Whitty and Duran Duran, so his resume is shit as arum's breath.

oh wait, did you just say prime atg and non-fantasy?

tliang1000 · 10-30-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy8s

No he didn't. He was clearly stating ATG at the time they fought. He may have back-tracked since then, because people have pointed out how absurd that is. But that's what he was saying.

Even if we look at it from the perspective of "went on to become ATGs," it gets even more absurd.

A fighter's resume should be based on how their opponents are viewed at the time, not based on hindsight. I'll give you an example.

Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez - Williams' stock may have dropped substantially in the tail end of his career, but Martinez still gets credit for being 1 of only 2 people who had the balls to face him when EVERYBODY from 147 to 160 was ducking him like their lives depended on it.

He backtracked and then try to weasel out by constantly shifting focus points, switching to alts and called for help to try to soften the schooling that i was dishing to him and now disappeared.

Ared · 10-30-2012, 01:26 AM

Admittedly, as with any race, the internet brings out the worst of us.

tliang1000 · 10-30-2012, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by igor_otsky

Floyd hasnt fought SRR, SRL, Haggy, Whitty and Duran Duran, so his resume is shit as arum's breath.

oh wait, did you just say prime atg and non-fantasy?

No i'm talking about in prime jesus!

boyschoir · 10-30-2012, 01:58 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9V1wkNKxGs[/ame]

undefeated

self-proclaimed greater than Ali

self-proclaimed greater than SRL

supposed to school any fighter in front of him

cleaned up the sport when Pac's name came up

I don't hate undefeated fighters

#Tremendous · 10-30-2012, 02:32 AM

I have heard this from several Filipino fans, so what? A ton of African Americans I've talked to say Mike Tyson is the GOAT, and a ton of Mexicans I've talked to think JCC and Cesar Chavez are the same person and the greatest boxer to have ever lived. So what?

These are casual boxing fans, who cares what race they are. Why are you bringing it up in your title?

DeadLikeMe · 10-30-2012, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by #Tremendous

I have heard this from several Filipino fans, so what? A ton of African Americans I've talked to say Mike Tyson is the GOAT, and a ton of Mexicans I've talked to think JCC and Cesar Chavez are the same person and the greatest boxer to have ever lived. So what?

These are casual boxing fans, who cares what race they are. Why are you bringing it up in your title?

Most of those other types of casuals didn't take to the internet en masse and take a massive crap over every boxing forum on the internet. Only one distinct group of morons did that. It would be like if the US had a top 3 finish at the World Cup and America went soccer crazy, and all the Americans took to every soccer forum to proclaim Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey co-GOATs. Everyone would laugh at how utterly stupid this entire group of newbie American fans are. That happened to boxing and it is finally starting to go away.

boyschoir · 10-30-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadLikeMe

Most of those other types of casuals didn't take to the internet en masse and take a massive crap over every boxing forum on the internet. Only one distinct group of morons did that. It would be like if the US had a top 3 finish at the World Cup and America went soccer crazy, and all the Americans took to every soccer forum to proclaim Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey co-GOATs. Everyone would laugh at how utterly stupid this entire group of newbie American fans are. That happened to boxing and it is finally starting to go away.

coz a midget from Asia took the boxing world by storm

deal with it

Vidic · 10-30-2012, 03:47 AM

John Antony has an old leather boot for a brain I'm sure

Vidic · 10-30-2012, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

At 4 of his 5 weight classes, he holds completely legit claim as having beaten the then best fighter in the division.

If you are one of the people who think Castillo won the first fight, then for the purpose of this thread count it as 1 victory.

Now, does anybody disagree with the above? Please state why

Barrera · 10-30-2012, 03:56 AM

really shows how stupid some fans are (but that goes for just about any fighter -_-)

Barrera · 10-30-2012, 03:59 AM

i am often left dumbfounded as to why people say he cherrypicks

alot of the people who claim him to be one are the same people saying he ducked kostya , ODLH and Mosley

when it gets cleared up why the fight never eventuated atleast once a week

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10-30-2012, 12:25 AM	#3647
The Mangler Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 394 vCash: 500	Re: People just seem to HATE undefeated fighters Nobody hates unbeaten guys simply cuz they unbeaten. It's cuz of sumthin they said, did, or most importantly, didn't do.
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10-30-2012, 01:26 AM	#3651
Ared Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,134 vCash: 1000	Re: a filipino fan reacting to the omission of pacquiao from the ATG jr fw list Admittedly, as with any race, the internet brings out the worst of us.
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10-30-2012, 01:58 AM	#3653
boyschoir Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 643 vCash: 500	Re: People just seem to HATE undefeated fighters [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9V1wkNKxGs[/ame] undefeated self-proclaimed greater than Ali self-proclaimed greater than SRL supposed to school any fighter in front of him cleaned up the sport when Pac's name came up I don't hate undefeated fighters
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10-30-2012, 02:32 AM	#3654
#Tremendous Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 589 vCash: 500	Re: a filipino fan reacting to the omission of pacquiao from the ATG jr fw list I have heard this from several Filipino fans, so what? A ton of African Americans I've talked to say Mike Tyson is the GOAT, and a ton of Mexicans I've talked to think JCC and Cesar Chavez are the same person and the greatest boxer to have ever lived. So what? These are casual boxing fans, who cares what race they are. Why are you bringing it up in your title?
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10-30-2012, 03:47 AM	#3657
Vidic Rest in Peace Manny East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,441 vCash: 75	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? John Antony has an old leather boot for a brain I'm sure
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10-30-2012, 03:56 AM	#3659
Barrera Cotto Crabwalk Enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 1,301 vCash: 500	Re: a filipino fan reacting to the omission of pacquiao from the ATG jr fw list really shows how stupid some fans are (but that goes for just about any fighter -_-)
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10-30-2012, 03:59 AM	#3660
Barrera Cotto Crabwalk Enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 1,301 vCash: 500	Re: Can somebody try to refute this statement on mayweather i am often left dumbfounded as to why people say he cherrypicks alot of the people who claim him to be one are the same people saying he ducked kostya , ODLH and Mosley when it gets cleared up why the fight never eventuated atleast once a week
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