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Old 10-30-2012, 05:07 AM   #5446
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Well of course Floyd and Pac will always be dogged unless they fight. As for someone not giving credit where credit is due then they dont know shit. Floyd is ridiculous. For anyone to say Floyd isnt one of the greats then they probably dont watch much boxing.


Sadly, Its already to the point where if they fight now, which ever looses will have the excuse they were past their prime. So I almost dont even care about that fight anymore.


Its kinda like Jones Jr and Hopkins 2. They waited way to long for that, to the point almost no one even cared about it.


Of course its gonna hurt their legacy. Of course they are still greats but to not fight each other to settle once and for all who was the best says something pretty bad about their character as a fighter in my opinion.


We should already be talking about May vs Pac 3, even if one fighter won all 3 fights.


The people who run the boxing world really f'd this all up and consequently they may have messed the sport up as a whole.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:12 AM   #5447
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Default Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG?

How sooo ... he fought prime Hatton!
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:14 AM   #5448
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His best wins are Corrales, Castillo, and Cotto as probably his best win. Only reason people say he cherrypicks is because his resume doesn`t have crazy wins with ATGs. Please don`t say that Oscar, Mosley, and Marquez are great wins. None of those three at the time he fought them were anything great. Except maybe Oscar who was on a better level then the other two. He`s a great fighter, but when you look at that resume it`s not really anything special. Someone with his talent could of had more in there.




Your over looking some good fighters man. Castillo, Manfredy for example. Floyd was 23-24 fighting these dudes in their primes. Besides Pac, Floyd as fought every body and in their primes except De La Hoya.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:20 AM   #5449
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto
using common sense, 2006 Shane KO's the Baldomir Floyd fought and Pac beats the 2010 Shane.

154 cotto loses to sergio.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:24 AM   #5450
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using common sense, 2006 Shane KO's the Baldomir Floyd fought and Pac beats the 2010 Shane.

154 cotto loses to sergio.
Sergio is NOT at 154lbs. In turn, he is not ranked at 154lbs.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:31 AM   #5451
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Sergio is NOT at 154lbs. In turn, he is not ranked at 154lbs.
sergio could have come down as he offered and beat cotto....technically cotto ain't the best at 154 when floyd fought him.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:36 AM   #5452
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sergio could have come down as he offered and beat cotto....technically cotto ain't the best at 154 when floyd fought him.
But he did not come down. He has no claim whatsoever to be the best at 154lbs currently, or when Mayweather beat Cotto. That's like claiming either Mayweather or Pacquiao can still make 140lbs, so lets rank them as the best 2 there. Let's not stop there, Mayweather and Pacquiao are still the best in every division they have previously been in.

It can be argued that given his previous achievements and experience, also given how improved Cotto has been in a lot of areas since he hooked up with Garcia...he is/was the best at 154lbs at the time Mayweather beat him.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:54 AM   #5453
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Castillo and Corrales are way overrated in ESB.

Corrales used his weight to advantage but he really does not have much to his arsenal. He is slow, does not even fight tall.

Kostya has more pedigree than those two, whose actual pedigree is having a round robin among themselves.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:00 AM   #5454
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He can not even fight a midget without coming up with PEDS, HEALTH, so you expect him to fight a ATG?

He is a cherrypicker!
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:01 AM   #5455
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Timothy Bradley 29-0 (12 KO)

Was #1 at 140 before moving up in weight.
Unified champion at 140.
Beat Manny Pacquiao.
Current WBO welterweight champion.
Ranked #1 at Welterweight by Boxrec.

Chris John 47-0-2 (22 KO)

WBA super world featherweight champion.
Has faced and beat Juan Manuel Marquez.
Is scheduled to face Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo (44-0 (27 KO))
Has been a WBA champion for the last 8 years.

Kell Brook 29-0 (19 KO)

Has worked his way up to be IBF mandatory.
His resume is pretty much the exact same as Canelo's.

Saul Alvarez 41-0 (30 KO)

WBC light middleweight world champion.
Is only 22.
Has a win over a faded but still a HOF worthy Shane Mosley.
Ranked #2 at light middle weight by Boxrec behind fellow undefeated great Floyd Mayweather.

Nathan Cleverly 24-0 (11 KO)

WBO light heavy weight champion.
Took the 0 off of Tony Bellew and Karo Murat.
Went to Bellews backyard to defend his title.

Tyson Fury 19-0 (14 KO)

Rated #5 by the WBC at heavyweight.
Former English, Irish, British and Commonwealth champion.
Took the 0 off of Pajkic, Chisora, Nascimento and Power.
Is facing Denis Boytsov in a clash where 50 men have tried 50 men have failed against these two respected warriors.

There is a small list of undefeated greats, I'll list some more later.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:51 AM   #5456
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Im not a flomo and i dont use them stupid words, how old are you.

im a boxer and a boxing fan, im not a fanboy.

you are a pathetic idiot
Oibighead is a Floyd nutsucker. He's just pretending to be a Pactard.. Dont feed the troll!
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:06 AM   #5457
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sergio could have come down as he offered and beat cotto....technically cotto ain't the best at 154 when floyd fought him.

That's some logic...
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:23 AM   #5458
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:25 AM   #5459
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Default Re: Can somebody try to refute this statement on mayweather

Just face it, Floyd ducked every fighter in every weight class apart from the 43 that he faced. This seems to be the theory on this forum!!

People just list fighters that he never faced and blame Floyd. even though Cotto admitted he never called out Floyd and Shane admitted he pulled out of the fight they both get named on a daily basis as guys Floyd ducked.

Pacmans record at 130 and below for me is great and his win against Cotto even at the catch weight is a great win. JMM will always have his number and vice versa no shame in that JMM really is a great fighter.

Floyd has an excellent record overall but lacks the defining fight. A win over Pac/Sergio would seal his legacy. Most of Floyd's wins come against fighters that most on esb have never heard of. They see Coralles and castillio and think they know them because they watched round 10 of their first fight, they have never heard of Hernandez etc.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:25 AM   #5460
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Mayweather has a great resume, but some of his wins get overrated.

Baldomir - I don't care how the belts he won made him #1... he wasn't
Mosley - good win, but tired of the he was "#3 p4p" nonsense.... losing to Cotto, going life and death with Mayorga and beating Margarito don't make you #3 p4p
Chico - great win, a masterclass
Genaro - great win
JLC rematch - great win
Oscar - great win
Cotto - slightly overrated win but good
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