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Old 10-30-2012, 08:45 AM   #5776
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Sergio's last fight at 154: February of 2009
Number of Sergio's title fight victories at 154: 0
Number of former/future/current world champions he defeated officially at 154: 0
Number of former/future/current world champions he defeated there on most scorecards: 1
Cotto's first fight at 154: June of 2010, over a year after Sergio's last fight there, and after Sergio won the middleweight world title.
Mayweather's win over Cotto at 154: May of 2012

Result: Sergio Martinez was the top 154-pounder on the planet, rendering Floyd less than a world-beater and more of a cherry-picker at 154.

You've got to be a physics professor to even explain this thought-process.

Perspective on actual linear time:

The last time Martinez had a fight at 154, that same year, Shane Mosley, Paul Williams and Celestino Caballero were in Ring's top ten p4p rankings. I hope that gives us some perspective on how time actually moves on, even when you don't want it to.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:48 AM   #5777
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:48 AM   #5778
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its becuase they rarely take the risk of fighting the opponent the fans want to see him fight.
and if it does happen its usually long past its prime so they dont gain any respect there.
I agree. In days gone by, up and coming fighters were matched with other up and coming prospects and this made for some good fights. Nowadays fighters are so obsessed with keeping their o that this doesn't really happen as much. It's not all down to the fighters though. A couple of losses on your record affects your chance of a title shot more then it used to so fighter are more worried about losing.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:50 AM   #5779
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:52 AM   #5780
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sergio could have come down as he offered and beat cotto....technically cotto ain't the best at 154 when floyd fought him.
Sergio was already signed to fight in March when the Floyd v Cotto fight was signed
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:53 AM   #5781
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Martinez would chop his left nut off, for a chance to fight Alvarez, Cotto, Manny or Floyd at 154.

The only reason he's at middleweight is cos none of them will fight him. And he's a very small middleweight

If he signed to fight any of those now, I know who i'd favour to win.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:54 AM   #5782
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
147 Margarito? When Mosley had just stopped him, how was Margo better when Floyd fought Shane? Martinez was not at 154 when Floyd fought Cotto so behave
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:54 AM   #5783
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Do they not realize that Martinez is not at 154 and hasn't been for a while?
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:00 AM   #5784
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:02 AM   #5785
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Martinezs last fight at 154 was Feb 2009..yet he's the best 154er out there still in 2012?JohnAnthony= desperate guy, bless.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:02 AM   #5786
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147 Margarito? When Mosley had just stopped him, how was Margo better when Floyd fought Shane? Martinez was not at 154 when Floyd fought Cotto so behave

I had margo number one when he fought Baldomir.

Even though baldomir had the belt, theres no question in my mind that williams and margo were the much tougher fights.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:05 AM   #5787
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Manny Pacquiao is still the best light welterweight in the world.

Reason: Time doesn't exist.

Martinez wants these fights so badly, but he's not campaigning there or holding a title there or ranked there. He's the middleweight champion of the world. He doesn't have anything at all to do with the light middleweight division. I'm sorry. It's just the truth. You cannot be fighting in one division exclusively for three years and be the best in another division. This is not how reality works. It has nothing to do, nothing whatsoever, with who does or doesn't want to fight him from another division.

It's not like he's earned a mandatory position to face Cotto or Mayweather or Alvarez or Trout or Bundrage while campaigning there and nobody wants to fight him. He's a champion from another division who doesn't have any claim to being anywhere in that division. He cannot be, by any sane judgment, the best fighter in a division where he has zero ranking or activity. That does not make any sense, John. It simply does not make any coherent meaning.

Yes i agree with what your saying. On that basis you cant rank him above cotto. however cotto's record to be number 1 at 154 is shocking. He never beat a ranked 154 fighter except maybe foreman.

I'd still favour martinez over everyone at 154 and i still think he's the best in that division even without being ranked in it
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:05 AM   #5788
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His resume is scarily becoming underrated because of the fact that people don't like his personality, or how he acts outside of the ring. Outside of Pacquiao, you will not find many, if any who's resume currently matches or tops Mayweather's (active boxers). People just love to pick wholes. Look what this boxer didn't do after Mayweather beat him, etc. Naive fans.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:07 AM   #5789
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:08 AM   #5790
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Yes i agree with what your saying. On that basis you cant rank him above cotto. however cotto's record to be number 1 at 154 is shocking. He never beat a ranked 154 fighter except maybe foreman.

I'd still favour martinez over everyone at 154 and i still think he's the best in that division even without being ranked in it
Just because he would beat everyone at 154, does that mean he is "the best in the division" despite the fact he hasn't fought there in nearly 4 years? Is Pacquiao still the best lightweight in the world as well just because he would beat everyone down there?
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