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View Poll Results: Mayweather vs. Pacquiao is now meaningless?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:05 AM   #5476
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Manny Pacquiao is still the best light welterweight in the world.

Reason: Time doesn't exist.

Martinez wants these fights so badly, but he's not campaigning there or holding a title there or ranked there. He's the middleweight champion of the world. He doesn't have anything at all to do with the light middleweight division. I'm sorry. It's just the truth. You cannot be fighting in one division exclusively for three years and be the best in another division. This is not how reality works. It has nothing to do, nothing whatsoever, with who does or doesn't want to fight him from another division.

It's not like he's earned a mandatory position to face Cotto or Mayweather or Alvarez or Trout or Bundrage while campaigning there and nobody wants to fight him. He's a champion from another division who doesn't have any claim to being anywhere in that division. He cannot be, by any sane judgment, the best fighter in a division where he has zero ranking or activity. That does not make any sense, John. It simply does not make any coherent meaning.

Yes i agree with what your saying. On that basis you cant rank him above cotto. however cotto's record to be number 1 at 154 is shocking. He never beat a ranked 154 fighter except maybe foreman.

I'd still favour martinez over everyone at 154 and i still think he's the best in that division even without being ranked in it
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:05 AM   #5477
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His resume is scarily becoming underrated because of the fact that people don't like his personality, or how he acts outside of the ring. Outside of Pacquiao, you will not find many, if any who's resume currently matches or tops Mayweather's (active boxers). People just love to pick wholes. Look what this boxer didn't do after Mayweather beat him, etc. Naive fans.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:07 AM   #5478
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:08 AM   #5479
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Yes i agree with what your saying. On that basis you cant rank him above cotto. however cotto's record to be number 1 at 154 is shocking. He never beat a ranked 154 fighter except maybe foreman.

I'd still favour martinez over everyone at 154 and i still think he's the best in that division even without being ranked in it
Just because he would beat everyone at 154, does that mean he is "the best in the division" despite the fact he hasn't fought there in nearly 4 years? Is Pacquiao still the best lightweight in the world as well just because he would beat everyone down there?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:10 AM   #5480
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I had margo number one when he fought Baldomir.

Even though baldomir had the belt, theres no question in my mind that williams and margo were the much tougher fights.
Wasn't Baldomir lineal champ after beating Judah?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:14 AM   #5481
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Margarito the best welterweight despite Shane KTFO of him and Martinez is the best 154 lb'er despite not fighting there for 3 years.

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Old 10-30-2012, 08:16 AM   #5482
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:17 AM   #5483
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I see what everyone is saying.

And I agree Mayweather fought the best in every division.

I just don't think that means they were neccesarilly that great a victory.

And yes even though the fighters he beat were the number ones in there division, that doesn't mean there weren't other fighters around that couldn't have beaten them and were better at that weight
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:18 AM   #5484
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:19 AM   #5485
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Just because he would beat everyone at 154, does that mean he is "the best in the division" despite the fact he hasn't fought there in nearly 4 years? Is Pacquiao still the best lightweight in the world as well just because he would beat everyone down there?

I agree with what your saying.

Like right now Garcia is currently number one and the best at 140. And beating him at 140 would mean you are beating the best in that division.

However i would say the following fighters are better than garcia at 140 and would beat him (Manny Pac, Marquez, Bradley, Peterson)
Yet Garcia deserves to be number one. Yet that doesn't mean there aren't fighters around that are better than him at that weight.

That's alls i meant by it.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:20 AM   #5486
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Then what the **** are we talking about? Oh, I'm done. I'm done. Peace, brother.

see my comment above. i think that explains it better.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:26 AM   #5487
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like tilang yesterday, you need to log out of this thread because you don't know what you're even talking about.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:27 AM   #5488
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People HATE undefeated fighters who cherry pick.
this. boxing fans would tend to criticize boxers who protects their "0" by not taking risky fights and just handpicks opponents.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:29 AM   #5489
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You mean...you think that he would be...if he... actually fought there?! I'd favour Adamek or Haye to beat the cruisers right now, but if some guy comes tearing through that division and beats the actual top-ranked guy there, I'm not going to go "He didn't fight the best cruiserweight, who doesn't fight there that I think would beat him, so I can't say he fought the best." because they don't fight there! Dammit, John.

i'm just saying you can have a fighter ranked the best in the division. But there are other fighters who everyone knows, and would be favoured to beat them in that division.
But they aren't ranked for various reasons.
Like Garcia is number 1 light welter. But i'd say beating manny at light welter is a better win. (would you argue that beating garcia is a better light welter win cos he's ranked number one?)
Bradley is currently the number one welter now. But i'd argue beating Manny of Floyd is a better win.

There are many examples.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:29 AM   #5490
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using common sense, 2006 Shane KO's the Baldomir Floyd fought and Pac beats the 2010 Shane.

154 cotto loses to sergio.
2006 shane was on vacation with a tooth ache

and 2010 manny was ducking drug testing and mosley for that matter
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