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Old 10-30-2012, 08:16 AM   #5026
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:17 AM   #5027
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I see what everyone is saying.

And I agree Mayweather fought the best in every division.

I just don't think that means they were neccesarilly that great a victory.

And yes even though the fighters he beat were the number ones in there division, that doesn't mean there weren't other fighters around that couldn't have beaten them and were better at that weight
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:18 AM   #5028
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:19 AM   #5029
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Just because he would beat everyone at 154, does that mean he is "the best in the division" despite the fact he hasn't fought there in nearly 4 years? Is Pacquiao still the best lightweight in the world as well just because he would beat everyone down there?

I agree with what your saying.

Like right now Garcia is currently number one and the best at 140. And beating him at 140 would mean you are beating the best in that division.

However i would say the following fighters are better than garcia at 140 and would beat him (Manny Pac, Marquez, Bradley, Peterson)
Yet Garcia deserves to be number one. Yet that doesn't mean there aren't fighters around that are better than him at that weight.

That's alls i meant by it.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:20 AM   #5030
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Then what the **** are we talking about? Oh, I'm done. I'm done. Peace, brother.

see my comment above. i think that explains it better.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:26 AM   #5031
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like tilang yesterday, you need to log out of this thread because you don't know what you're even talking about.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:27 AM   #5032
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People HATE undefeated fighters who cherry pick.
this. boxing fans would tend to criticize boxers who protects their "0" by not taking risky fights and just handpicks opponents.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:29 AM   #5033
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You mean...you think that he would be...if he... actually fought there?! I'd favour Adamek or Haye to beat the cruisers right now, but if some guy comes tearing through that division and beats the actual top-ranked guy there, I'm not going to go "He didn't fight the best cruiserweight, who doesn't fight there that I think would beat him, so I can't say he fought the best." because they don't fight there! Dammit, John.

i'm just saying you can have a fighter ranked the best in the division. But there are other fighters who everyone knows, and would be favoured to beat them in that division.
But they aren't ranked for various reasons.
Like Garcia is number 1 light welter. But i'd say beating manny at light welter is a better win. (would you argue that beating garcia is a better light welter win cos he's ranked number one?)
Bradley is currently the number one welter now. But i'd argue beating Manny of Floyd is a better win.

There are many examples.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:29 AM   #5034
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using common sense, 2006 Shane KO's the Baldomir Floyd fought and Pac beats the 2010 Shane.

154 cotto loses to sergio.
2006 shane was on vacation with a tooth ache

and 2010 manny was ducking drug testing and mosley for that matter
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:31 AM   #5035
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like tilang yesterday, you need to log out of this thread because you don't know what you're even talking about.
haha, that was in my thread. he couldn't figure out how an ATG could have a prime

I think i explain perfectly above. But as your a stubborn mofo, you won't agree with me.

I'm saying just cos a fighter is rated number one. There are still tougher and better wins in that division
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:32 AM   #5036
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haha, that was in my thread. he couldn't figure out how an ATG could have a prime

I think i explain perfectly above. But as your a stubborn mofo, you won't agree with me.

I'm saying just cos a fighter is rated number one. There are still tougher and better wins in that division
Pac in 2010 would have been the best win at 147.....but Pac didn't want to fight, so Floyd fought the #1 guy anyways.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:32 AM   #5037
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i'm just saying you can have a fighter ranked the best in the division. But there are other fighters who everyone knows, and would be favoured to beat them in that division.
But they aren't ranked for various reasons.
Like Garcia is number 1 light welter. But i'd say beating manny at light welter is a better win. (would you argue that beating garcia is a better light welter win cos he's ranked number one?)
Bradley is currently the number one welter now. But i'd argue beating Manny of Floyd is a better win.

There are many examples.
The problem with your logic is t hat you are trying to use it to discredit a win and that is bullshit. If you beat Garcia at 140 you beat the best 140lber in the ****ing division. Based on your logic you would say, "Oh this guy beat Garcia at 140 but Manny Pacquiao was the best at 140." WTF
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
how in the hell can you be #1 in a division you hadnt fought in on over 3 years?how does that work?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:34 AM   #5039
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Martinez would chop his left nut off, for a chance to fight Alvarez, Cotto, Manny or Floyd at 154.

The only reason he's at middleweight is cos none of them will fight him. And he's a very small middleweight

If he signed to fight any of those now, I know who i'd favour to win.
in that case floyd is the #1 at 140 cause he can beat anyone there
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:36 AM   #5040
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Margarito the best welterweight despite Shane KTFO of him and Martinez is the best 154 lb'er despite not fighting there for 3 years.

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I see what everyone is saying.

And I agree Mayweather fought the best in every division.

I just don't think that means they were neccesarilly that great a victory.


And yes even though the fighters he beat were the number ones in there division, that doesn't mean there weren't other fighters around that couldn't have beaten them and were better at that weight
so instead of fighting the #1 or #2 guys he should fight the #4 and #5 guys...
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