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Old 10-30-2012, 08:31 AM   #5491
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like tilang yesterday, you need to log out of this thread because you don't know what you're even talking about.
haha, that was in my thread. he couldn't figure out how an ATG could have a prime

I think i explain perfectly above. But as your a stubborn mofo, you won't agree with me.

I'm saying just cos a fighter is rated number one. There are still tougher and better wins in that division
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:32 AM   #5492
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haha, that was in my thread. he couldn't figure out how an ATG could have a prime

I think i explain perfectly above. But as your a stubborn mofo, you won't agree with me.

I'm saying just cos a fighter is rated number one. There are still tougher and better wins in that division
Pac in 2010 would have been the best win at 147.....but Pac didn't want to fight, so Floyd fought the #1 guy anyways.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:32 AM   #5493
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i'm just saying you can have a fighter ranked the best in the division. But there are other fighters who everyone knows, and would be favoured to beat them in that division.
But they aren't ranked for various reasons.
Like Garcia is number 1 light welter. But i'd say beating manny at light welter is a better win. (would you argue that beating garcia is a better light welter win cos he's ranked number one?)
Bradley is currently the number one welter now. But i'd argue beating Manny of Floyd is a better win.

There are many examples.
The problem with your logic is t hat you are trying to use it to discredit a win and that is bullshit. If you beat Garcia at 140 you beat the best 140lber in the ****ing division. Based on your logic you would say, "Oh this guy beat Garcia at 140 but Manny Pacquiao was the best at 140." WTF
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:33 AM   #5494
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130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

But to answer this i'd say the best fighters in the division when floyd fought in it were:
130 - Corales
135 - Castillo
140 - Kosta
147 - Cotto, Margo then Pac at floyds second run at welter
154 - definetly not oscar the 1st time floyd fought there - And not Cotto the 2nd time - I's prob say Martinez was still number one IMO
how in the hell can you be #1 in a division you hadnt fought in on over 3 years?how does that work?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:34 AM   #5495
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Martinez would chop his left nut off, for a chance to fight Alvarez, Cotto, Manny or Floyd at 154.

The only reason he's at middleweight is cos none of them will fight him. And he's a very small middleweight

If he signed to fight any of those now, I know who i'd favour to win.
in that case floyd is the #1 at 140 cause he can beat anyone there
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:36 AM   #5496
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Margarito the best welterweight despite Shane KTFO of him and Martinez is the best 154 lb'er despite not fighting there for 3 years.

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I see what everyone is saying.

And I agree Mayweather fought the best in every division.

I just don't think that means they were neccesarilly that great a victory.


And yes even though the fighters he beat were the number ones in there division, that doesn't mean there weren't other fighters around that couldn't have beaten them and were better at that weight
so instead of fighting the #1 or #2 guys he should fight the #4 and #5 guys...
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:39 AM   #5497
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Default Re: People just seem to HATE undefeated fighters

if you are undefeated you havent fought anyone

BUT

if you lose you were exposed,or overrated(unless you are manny he can lose but still win)
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:39 AM   #5498
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this. boxing fans would tend to criticize boxers who protects their "0" by not taking risky fights and just handpicks opponents.
tell me when was the last time manny faced the #1 or #2 guy in his division.....ill wait
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:40 AM   #5499
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The problem with your logic is t hat you are trying to use it to discredit a win and that is bullshit. If you beat Garcia at 140 you beat the best 140lber in the ****ing division. Based on your logic you would say, "Oh this guy beat Garcia at 140 but Manny Pacquiao was the best at 140." WTF

not really. ok here's another example. If Manny decided to fight at light welter.
He agrees to fight garcia. Yes he's fighting the "best" in the division.
But there are still tougher fights at 140. He's probably even get accused of cherry picking garcia.
People would say "Floyd can make 140, Marquez can Make 140. Bradley is a better fighter. Why don't you fight one of those?"


But Manny could say, I don't need to fight them. I'm fighting Garcia. The Best fighter at 140. SO i don't need to fight any of those guys.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:43 AM   #5500
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in that case floyd is the #1 at 140 cause he can beat anyone there

ok you worded it best.

Floyd fought the number 1 in each division.

But not who i would say is the best fighter in that division.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:43 AM   #5501
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tell me when was the last time manny faced the #1 or #2 guy in his division.....ill wait
Thia thred is about undefeated fighters, larry.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:44 AM   #5502
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not really. ok here's another example. If Manny decided to fight at light welter.
He agrees to fight garcia. Yes he's fighting the "best" in the division.
But there are still tougher fights at 140. He's probably even get accused of cherry picking garcia.
People would say "Floyd can make 140, Marquez can Make 140. Bradley is a better fighter. Why don't you fight one of those?"


But Manny could say, I don't need to fight them. I'm fighting Garcia. The Best fighter at 140. SO i don't need to fight any of those guys.
Dude just stop it. If Manny fought Garcia at 140 then he is fighting the best 140 guy in that division. Now I see why you guys hate on Mayweather bc you all are ****ing nuts.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:46 AM   #5503
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ok you worded it best.

Floyd fought the number 1 in each division.

But not who i would say is the best fighter in that division.
So you are saying that the number 1 guy in a division is not the number one guy in a division.
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Default people say floyd cherry picks but manny is a warrior?answer me this

When was the last time Manny faced the #1 or #2 guy in his division? when was the last time he faced a current champion in his division??

Bradley-not ranked at 147
jmm-not ranked at 147
Mosley-coming off a loss and a draw
Margo-hadnt won a meanigful fight in 2 years
Clottey-just lost to cotto
cotto-Bingo-wbo champ and top 3 ww-2009

Floyd

Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA CHAMP
Ortiz-#2 at ww-WBC CHAMP
Shane-#1 at ww-WBA CHAMP
Jmm-not ranked at 147
Hatton-former 147 champ but not ranked


so how is Floyd the cherry picker here,please tell me how???
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:47 AM   #5505
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ok you worded it best.

Floyd fought the number 1 in each division.

But not who i would say is the best fighter in that division.
So because you say it that makes it so?
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