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Old 10-29-2012, 04:01 PM   #31
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some say Hagler did not punch hard, yet his knockout percentage was higher than Hearns. They ended ups with the same amount of fights 67, yet Hagler stopped I think 54 guys and Hearns stopped 49.
I don't know exactly which one of them was more of a powerpuncher, but Hagler hit hard.
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I don't know exactly which one of them was more of a powerpuncher, but Hagler hit hard.
One point I'd make there, is that Hagler fought his entire career at his optimum weight, Hearns did not.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:22 PM   #33
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:55 AM   #34
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Shane Mosley wasn't actually a very powerful puncher.

But his KO percentage at 135 is superb.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:40 AM   #35
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Was Henry Armstrong a big puncher himself? Or did he rely on non stop punching to get the knockouts?
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:19 AM   #36
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Heavy hands to a boxing man means just that: You've got big hands.

The general term refers to power from strength, though the size of your mitts has a huge effect on how hard you hit. Think about the huge fat guy you see on the bus; You might not fear his fighting ability, but your natural instincts would tell you getting hit by him isn't pleasant, and those instincts would be correct.

The switch off sort of knockout is as much speed and form as it is strength and killer intentions. The guys without the speed of the mechanics to achieve this result can still beat you down. A brute force sort of shot HURTS; It causes real pain, real distress, and you stay hit. Get caught with many of those over a long night, and it just breaks you down, whereas a true KO shot is generally not remembered as being painful or uncomfortable, just a switch flipped after you've been concussed by a beauty.
Hmmm... so heavyhanded is like Chavez? He wasn't very fast but had a high KO percentage. Did I understood correctly?

Sorry for the bad English btw
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:37 AM   #37
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Aaron Pryor.
Pryor was a hell of a puncher ... poor choice.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:44 AM   #38
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The thread as a whole is dicey was are we talking one punch power or hard punchers that were also very good fighters against strong opposition ?

Vitali was a hard puncher who won usually by breaking a guy down over rounds with excessive punishment .. McCallum the same ... there are terrific one shot guys like a Lyle that did not have terrific records because they were otherwise limited ...
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Valero, bums and his come forward style are the main reason he has KOd them all.
Agree 100%, extremely overrated as a puncher.
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Pryor was a hell of a puncher ... poor choice.
Not really.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:22 AM   #41
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One point I'd make there, is that Hagler fought his entire career at his optimum weight, Hearns did not.
Hagler was not a particularly big middle even in his day. Hearns was bigger than Virgil Hill at light heavy.
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Interesting, i've never noticed this.
yeah Hagler a good knockout percentage. When he fought Hearns he was I think 60-2-2 with 50 knockouts. Not bad at all. I think Hearns had more early knockouts, but they both retired with 67 fights and Hearns has 380 total rounds and Hagler I think near 399.. So they actually fought similar rounds and fights. Hagler had something like 14 title fights and Hearns had 19 title fights. But as for Hagler. He could punch and I think he was underrated a puncher. If he hit someone he hurt them and it didn't take long to see the damge.
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I don't know exactly which one of them was more of a powerpuncher, but Hagler hit hard.
Hearns hit harder just by what a few people said who fought both Hagler and Hearns. Roldan was asked who punches harder, Hagler or Hearns and very seriously without hesitation he said Hearns. But I think Hagler had a physical power to him which was not one punch like Hearns but it was hard enough that when he started to land he took over.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:58 AM   #44
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Hagler was not a particularly big middle even in his day. Hearns was bigger than Virgil Hill at light heavy.
I never saw that Hearns was bigger than Virgil. As a matter of fact I thought Virgil had a big bone structure when I saw them in round one, and Tommy had a smaller bone structure, but his upper body looked bigger in the shoulders than Virgil. but not everything else. Virgil was obviously much more naturally bigger.
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