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View Poll Results: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao - do you even care?
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:56 PM   #42766
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Just checked out the list I agree with caba and izzy being in the top 10, but larios? He can be top 20 at best but that's being generous.
Yes, larios too. Israel vasquez i agree. But not caballero and larios
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:09 PM   #42767
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Mayweather has fought and beat some prime ATG's
Opens up the argument between Prime and Peak.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:11 PM   #42768
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Floyd would never fight Lucas mattysse IMO


Matthysee would get a real beating.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:15 PM   #42769
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Mayweather has fought and beat some prime ATG's

i disagree.

He's fought ATG that were past it like Mosley and DeLaHoya
And many HOF's who were prime like Castillo Coralles Hatton Cotto.

But no prime ATG's

Still a great resume.

Just missing the huge win
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:15 PM   #42770
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I don't feel like explaining it, but you can lose 15 pounds in two months. You can lose 15 pounds in a matter of weeks actually.
sure, if you wanted to lose 15 pounds you most certainly could. i work out four days a week with weights and three days a week cardio and i am in excellent physical shape. if i were to be incarcerated for two months(floyds tenure) i can guarantee you that i would do push-ups, pull-ups and maintain my weight and strength and i am sure that floyd did the same.

tyson went to prison for three years and fought five months after his realese at three pounds over his normal righting weight of 217.

it doesnt appear to me that tyson had a problem with weight and strength after three years in the joint let alone a measely two months.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:19 PM   #42771
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the thing is Floyd didn't really eat much in jail. The doctor who came in to visit him estimated that he was getting less than 800 calories a day
why would a guy that makes tens of millions a fight intentionally allow himself to starve and weaken his body? in just two months?

why?

seriously, you believe this 800 calorie bull****?

or do you believe 50cent recently leaving floyd because he wouldnt fight pac?

hard to participate on the esb forums as the stupidity is often too unbearable.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:20 PM   #42772
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The Barrera that took Morales to the wire at 122 in 2000 would beat pacquiao at that weight as well IMO & I don`t even like Barrera but he would beat pac at that weight I think.
I dont think so!
Pacquiao is wired to dominate fighters who rely heavily on the left hand.

Pacquiao being southpaw focuses on taking away a conventional fighters left jab and hook. If you cant throw and land the right hand with force and consistency, you become easy pickings for a physical southpaw dynamo like Pacquiao, just see the MAB, DLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights.

I said on this very board weeks before the DLH fight that if Pacquiao's weight on fightnight was within 8 lbs of DLH's, he'd destroy DLH worst than MAB!

MAB at his best would have to catch Pacquiao at his worst, and even that might not be enough!
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:21 PM   #42773
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Floyd would never fight Lucas mattysse IMO
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Mattysse would murder floyd but the rest he beats
is this a joke??
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #42774
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My top 5 are:


Gomez
Morales
Barrera
Zaragoza
vazquez sr


almost on par with d ring. wtf?



In regards to Pacquiao, his brief reign in the 122 IBF belt was satisfactory and could have unified and dominated the weight class, but he opted to fight above 122 because his body is growing that he no longer wanted to drain more weight but instead move up to a comfortable weight at 126 and get some bigger fish to fry. hello marco antonio barrera.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:35 PM   #42775
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Meh, 140 is too weak right now, I can see Floyd beating Garcia and taking those belts as an easy win.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:38 PM   #42776
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Floyd couldn't make weight against JMM was prolly due to the long laid off but suppose he did lose 15lbs of muscle then 140 is easy to achieve for him. There are some big names coming up at 140 but i don't see any of them troubling Floyd though.
don't let Puga_no_nuts implant that lie into your head too.

Floyd DIDN"T LOSE 15 POUNDS OF ALL MUSCLE. He claimed the main cause was dehydration
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:38 PM   #42777
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Just face it, Floyd ducked every fighter in every weight class apart from the 43 that he faced. This seems to be the theory on this forum!!

People just list fighters that he never faced and blame Floyd. even though Cotto admitted he never called out Floyd and Shane admitted he pulled out of the fight they both get named on a daily basis as guys Floyd ducked.

Pacmans record at 130 and below for me is great and his win against Cotto even at the catch weight is a great win. JMM will always have his number and vice versa no shame in that JMM really is a great fighter.

Floyd has an excellent record overall but lacks the defining fight. A win over Pac/Sergio would seal his legacy. Most of Floyd's wins come against fighters that most on esb have never heard of. They see Coralles and castillio and think they know them because they watched round 10 of their first fight, they have never heard of Hernandez etc.
Becasuse they haven't been watching boxing for very long. That's why this hindsight "wisdom" that everybody seems to possess is bull****.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:39 PM   #42778
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I don't feel like explaining it, but you can lose 15 pounds in two months. You can lose 15 pounds in a matter of weeks actually.
you lose 15 pounds by not doing anything, unless you get butt****ed 24/7 in prison.

whooops
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:40 PM   #42779
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why would a guy that makes tens of millions a fight intentionally allow himself to starve and weaken his body? in just two months?

why?

seriously, you believe this 800 calorie bull****?

or do you believe 50cent recently leaving floyd because he wouldnt fight pac?

hard to participate on the esb forums as the stupidity is often too unbearable.
THey limit the amount of food you're allowed to have in jail and Floyd didn't want to eat any of the food they gave him. He cites that all the food he ate was from comissionary or the occasional orange they may give him with his meals.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:48 PM   #42780
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i disagree.

He's fought ATG that were past it like Mosley and DeLaHoya
And many HOF's who were prime like Castillo Coralles Hatton Cotto.

But no prime ATG's

Still a great resume.

Just missing the huge win


Good F**king lord man. There is no such thing as Prime ATG! No one in history were classify as an ATG that damn early. Do you not understand what kind of non-sense you are talking about?

Below are examples of the non-sense that u are trying to say that Floyd doesn't have these types of victories.


Example1:
If they exist then I guess Mercado draw an ATG against Bhop in prime was a huge achievement then huh. Or that Jones Jr beat a Green but physical primed Bhop is a ATG victory for Jones Jr.

Bhop was not considered as an ATG that early.

New example after edit: Lennox Lewis in his prime getting beat by McCall = in prime ATG victory????

Example2:
I guess Junior Jones held two wins over Antonio Barrera means he should be a high ATG with two massive wins over a prime "ATG" Barrera in his early 20s.

Barrera was not considered an ATG that early

Example3:
Trinidad beating Oscar in their prime is not an ATG victory bc they were both NOT considered as ATGs at the time. Both of them only have wins over past prime guys like Whitaker, Camacho, and Chavez.

Example4: Singurat beating a 21 year old pac = Singurat have a ATG in prime victory???



There are many many example where a "ATG" fighter have lost in their prime due to them being Green or didn't start to get big wins until later in their career. So by u (john) saying that Floyd is missing out these matches are meaningless bc you should judge the fight at that POINT OF TIME and what were the circumstances.

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