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Old 10-30-2012, 01:26 PM   #5926
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If Pacquiao walked into the middle of a crowd of people with a gun and start shooting and was caught on CCTV, seen by witnesses and he actually admitted it, Filipinos would call you a jealous liar and a racist.

Filipino boxing fans are embarrassing.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:29 PM   #5927
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I knew even before I read this nonsense that it would be biased as ****, the ring as they like to call themselves are a ****ing joke & have always like Barrera better than Morales but surely they should put their preference aside & have Morales at no2 ahead of Barrera. Bunch of amateur biased pieces of ****, I knew what they were going to do as soon as I seen the big picture of Barrera & the words ring next to it.

Barrera lost to Junior Jones twice at the weight (once by knockout) & Morales, that`s 3 losses... Morales was undefeated at the weight through 36 fights before stepping up to FW, knocking out all but 2 opponents in his title fights, guys like Junior Jones, Daniel Zaragoza, Wayne McCullough & Barrera himself were beaten by Morales.

The ring is a complete joke.

Ps. pac was never a great in any weight so that idiot fan has nothing to complain about, typical clueless moron that knows **** all about boxing.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:32 PM   #5928
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What Bill said.

Morales would have ****d Pac worse at 122 than he did at 130.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:33 PM   #5929
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:50 PM   #5930
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Pac would beat every one of those top 10 Jr.FWs.

seriously.
You`re a complete joke if you seriously believe that.

Gomez & Morales would tool the **** out of him at 122... Morales was past his best at 130 when he did beat pac in 2005 & that version of pac was a better fighter than he was at 122, he was too ragged at 122 & Morales was at his peak there, Morales would punish the **** out of him at that weight, stop being a ****, look at how many posts you have, stop acting like a know nothing troll.

Gomez would destroy pacquiao at 122, enough said there.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:57 PM   #5931
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The Barrera that took Morales to the wire at 122 in 2000 would beat pacquiao at that weight as well IMO & I don`t even like Barrera but he would beat pac at that weight I think.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:48 PM   #5932
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Amm.. His a bandwagon fan more than a filipino.. I mean, alot of other nationalities make stupid comments and for you to post it in a forum tells us what kind of child you really are.

On a side note: i don't entirely agree with the article itself. Best super bantamweight of all time, has caballero, nishioka, and bungu.. I didn't think this division, with all of its history, sucked big time

Great picks for the top 3 btw
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:51 PM   #5933
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I have heard this from several Filipino fans, so what? A ton of African Americans I've talked to say Mike Tyson is the GOAT, and a ton of Mexicans I've talked to think JCC and Cesar Chavez are the same person and the greatest boxer to have ever lived. So what?

These are casual boxing fans, who cares what race they are. Why are you bringing it up in your title?
My thoughts exactly
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:56 PM   #5934
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Just checked out the list I agree with caba and izzy being in the top 10, but larios? He can be top 20 at best but that's being generous.
Yes, larios too. Israel vasquez i agree. But not caballero and larios
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:09 PM   #5935
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Default Re: The "Whine About Mayweather" Express!!!!!!

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Mayweather has fought and beat some prime ATG's
Opens up the argument between Prime and Peak.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #5936
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Mayweather has fought and beat some prime ATG's

i disagree.

He's fought ATG that were past it like Mosley and DeLaHoya
And many HOF's who were prime like Castillo Coralles Hatton Cotto.

But no prime ATG's

Still a great resume.

Just missing the huge win
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:20 PM   #5937
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The Barrera that took Morales to the wire at 122 in 2000 would beat pacquiao at that weight as well IMO & I don`t even like Barrera but he would beat pac at that weight I think.
I dont think so!
Pacquiao is wired to dominate fighters who rely heavily on the left hand.

Pacquiao being southpaw focuses on taking away a conventional fighters left jab and hook. If you cant throw and land the right hand with force and consistency, you become easy pickings for a physical southpaw dynamo like Pacquiao, just see the MAB, DLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights.

I said on this very board weeks before the DLH fight that if Pacquiao's weight on fightnight was within 8 lbs of DLH's, he'd destroy DLH worst than MAB!

MAB at his best would have to catch Pacquiao at his worst, and even that might not be enough!
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:31 PM   #5938
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Default Re: a filipino fan reacting to the omission of pacquiao from the ATG jr fw list

My top 5 are:


Gomez
Morales
Barrera
Zaragoza
vazquez sr


almost on par with d ring. wtf?



In regards to Pacquiao, his brief reign in the 122 IBF belt was satisfactory and could have unified and dominated the weight class, but he opted to fight above 122 because his body is growing that he no longer wanted to drain more weight but instead move up to a comfortable weight at 126 and get some bigger fish to fry. hello marco antonio barrera.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:38 PM   #5939
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Just face it, Floyd ducked every fighter in every weight class apart from the 43 that he faced. This seems to be the theory on this forum!!

People just list fighters that he never faced and blame Floyd. even though Cotto admitted he never called out Floyd and Shane admitted he pulled out of the fight they both get named on a daily basis as guys Floyd ducked.

Pacmans record at 130 and below for me is great and his win against Cotto even at the catch weight is a great win. JMM will always have his number and vice versa no shame in that JMM really is a great fighter.

Floyd has an excellent record overall but lacks the defining fight. A win over Pac/Sergio would seal his legacy. Most of Floyd's wins come against fighters that most on esb have never heard of. They see Coralles and castillio and think they know them because they watched round 10 of their first fight, they have never heard of Hernandez etc.
Becasuse they haven't been watching boxing for very long. That's why this hindsight "wisdom" that everybody seems to possess is bull****.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:48 PM   #5940
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i disagree.

He's fought ATG that were past it like Mosley and DeLaHoya
And many HOF's who were prime like Castillo Coralles Hatton Cotto.

But no prime ATG's

Still a great resume.

Just missing the huge win


Good F**king lord man. There is no such thing as Prime ATG! No one in history were classify as an ATG that damn early. Do you not understand what kind of non-sense you are talking about?

Below are examples of the non-sense that u are trying to say that Floyd doesn't have these types of victories.


Example1:
If they exist then I guess Mercado draw an ATG against Bhop in prime was a huge achievement then huh. Or that Jones Jr beat a Green but physical primed Bhop is a ATG victory for Jones Jr.

Bhop was not considered as an ATG that early.

New example after edit: Lennox Lewis in his prime getting beat by McCall = in prime ATG victory????

Example2:
I guess Junior Jones held two wins over Antonio Barrera means he should be a high ATG with two massive wins over a prime "ATG" Barrera in his early 20s.

Barrera was not considered an ATG that early

Example3:
Trinidad beating Oscar in their prime is not an ATG victory bc they were both NOT considered as ATGs at the time. Both of them only have wins over past prime guys like Whitaker, Camacho, and Chavez.

Example4: Singurat beating a 21 year old pac = Singurat have a ATG in prime victory???



There are many many example where a "ATG" fighter have lost in their prime due to them being Green or didn't start to get big wins until later in their career. So by u (john) saying that Floyd is missing out these matches are meaningless bc you should judge the fight at that POINT OF TIME and what were the circumstances.

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