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Old 11-01-2012, 01:59 AM   #6151
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what does it have to do with Floyds? leave Pac alone with his parasites,.
Puga said that Manny overrides Arum yet Manny wouldn't make Arum negotiate for the May 5th date against Mayweather which proves that Manny doesn't run ****..
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #6152
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this is rich coming from you. you have defended floyd and has no problem twisting stories and even making them up since last night.

i already gave you two instances that arum cannot always force pac to fight at certain dates that he wants. if pac wants a certain date or opponent, arum has no choice but to oblige. first is the jmm rematch at 130 when arum wanted diaz at 135. second is the november date and arumhas no coice but to wait and move it to december when pac was waiting for floyd is the figth can be made next year.

pac does the fighting and not arum.
Puga how have I defended Floyd when I am the one who said they are all at fault for this fight not happening including Floyd. You on the other hand said Manny isn't. Rich
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:05 AM   #6153
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the other camp keeps moving goal post. doesnt even take brains to figure everything out, common sense will do.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:06 AM   #6154
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Puga said that Manny overrides Arum yet Manny wouldn't make Arum negotiate for the May 5th date against Mayweather which proves that Manny doesn't run ****..
ho would he negotiate for a fight when floyd already made a joke of an offer all the while, they were negotiating with cotto?
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:10 AM   #6155
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:11 AM   #6156
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the other camp keeps moving goal post. doesnt even take brains to figure everything out, common sense will do.
this.

floyd: pac needs to take a test
pac: ok i'll take a full urine test with 24 days cut-off on blood
floyd: no you can't do that, 14 days cut-off on blood
pac: ok i would take the full testing
floyd: ok but i'm on vacation right now and has no urge to fight

floyd: pac you're next, can you take an offer without PPV?
pac: no but can you take 55-45 or 60-40 to the winner?
floyd: no way.

pac: ok floyd let's fight december or early next year after your jail
floyd: i just lost 15 pounds and needs more time
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:11 AM   #6157
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ho would he negotiate for a fight when floyd already made a joke of an offer all the while, they were negotiating with cotto?
Talk to my promoter Puga. Once again Manny had to fire the people he hired to look into his finances bc Arum said so and you think Manny runs the ship?

So if Manny runs things then why did Manny sit back while Arum made all those excuses why they couldn't make the fight for May 5th? I guess based off of your Manny runs things logic, Manny didn't want to fight May 5th. Glad you admitted it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:14 AM   #6158
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this.

floyd: pac needs to take a test
pac: ok i'll take a full urine test with 24 days cut-off on blood
floyd: no you can't do that, 14 days cut-off on blood
pac: ok i would take the full testing
floyd: ok but i'm on vacation right now and has no urge to fight

floyd: pac you're next, can you take an offer without PPV?
pac: no but can you take 55-45 or 60-40 to the winner?
floyd: no way.

pac: ok floyd let's fight december or early next year after jail
floyd: i just lost 15 pounds and needs more time

Pacquiao's one would probably be afraid of needles but either way Mayweather out numbers Pacquiao's excuses lol
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:16 AM   #6159
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this.

floyd: pac needs to take a test
pac: ok i'll take a full urine test with 24 days cut-off on blood
floyd: no you can't do that, 14 days cut-off on blood
pac: ok i would take the full testing
floyd: ok but i'm on vacation right now and has no urge to fight

floyd: pac you're next, can you take an offer without PPV?
pac: no but can you take 55-45 or 60-40 to the winner?
floyd: no way.

pac: ok floyd let's fight december or early next year after your jail
floyd: i just lost 15 pounds and needs more time
Look at you lying again Puga. I could rip this **** up easy. You trying to change history.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:23 AM   #6160
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Look at you lying again Puga. I could rip this **** up easy. You trying to change history.
lying, floyd always moves the goal post and goes into vacations. can you even refute that?
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:26 AM   #6161
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Talk to my promoter Puga. Once again Manny had to fire the people he hired to look into his finances bc Arum said so and you think Manny runs the ship?

So if Manny runs things then why did Manny sit back while Arum made all those excuses why they couldn't make the fight for May 5th? I guess based off of your Manny runs things logic, Manny didn't want to fight May 5th. Glad you admitted it.

didn't floyd said on that telephone conversation that he asked pac "what if i lose?" that's why he is trying to dupe pac into accepting that low-ball of an offer.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:31 AM   #6162
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lying, floyd always moves the goal post and goes into vacations. can you even refute that?
Yes I can.

Floyd offered full testing from the start in the first negotiations. No cut offs. my source for that is Dan Rafael.

Team Pacquiao agreed to full testing from the start. My source for that is Freddie Roach.

Team Pacquiao later backed out of that and wanted a 30 day cut off. Bob Arum.

Floyd offered a 14 day cut off after that. Team Pacquiao said 24 but it was seen that Manny was giving blood 21 days out for the Hatton fight as part of his pre fight physical.

Arum lied and said Floyd never offered a counter offer but the mediator said that was a lie and that Floyd offered 14 day cut off window for blood.

Manny himself said that he just didn't want to be tested the day of the fight and when he was told that he had a 14 day window he said it was too close to the fight.

Team Pac walked to fight Clottey.

Mayweather himself said that Manny would not get another cut off offer after that and that he will go back to his original offer.

Mayweather fought Mosley and even said after the fight that if Manny doesn't agree to the testing then no fight.

Manny later came out a month later and said he would do 14 day cut off?

Well 14 days is off the table bc he didn't except it. Mayweather went back to the original offer Puga. Now how the hell is Mayweather moving the goal post by going back to the original offer after Manny turned down the cut off?
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:46 AM   #6163
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Yes I can.

Floyd offered full testing from the start in the first negotiations. No cut offs. my source for that is Dan Rafael.

Team Pacquiao agreed to full testing from the start. My source for that is Freddie Roach.

Team Pacquiao later backed out of that and wanted a 30 day cut off. Bob Arum.

Floyd offered a 14 day cut off after that. Team Pacquiao said 24 but it was seen that Manny was giving blood 21 days out for the Hatton fight as part of his pre fight physical.

Arum lied and said Floyd never offered a counter offer but the mediator said that was a lie and that Floyd offered 14 day cut off window for blood.

Manny himself said that he just didn't want to be tested the day of the fight and when he was told that he had a 14 day window he said it was too close to the fight.

Team Pac walked to fight Clottey.

Mayweather himself said that Manny would not get another cut off offer after that and that he will go back to his original offer.

Mayweather fought Mosley and even said after the fight that if Manny doesn't agree to the testing then no fight.

Manny later came out a month later and said he would do 14 day cut off?

Well 14 days is off the table bc he didn't except it. Mayweather went back to the original offer Puga. Now how the hell is Mayweather moving the goal post by going back to the original offer after Manny turned down the cut off?

and let us remember that this all stemmed off from floyd and his camps public accusations of pac using PEDs. and the mediator mentioned that both parties failed to make a deal so why would you accuse pac of walking out? they could have fought and settle for a middle ground of 19 days cut-off but didn't.

the cut-off is just one thing. pac conceded to 14 days and then to full cut-off. but floyd is not interested still siting that he needs more money and the higher split. he even wants all the PPV share for himslef. he also frequently sites needing to have his vacations when negotiations, especially the second one, is close to being made as mentioned by oscar and was later on confirmed by greenburg. right now, floyd is moving the goalpost again by saying that he cannot confirmed a fight for early next year and he just lost 15 pounds.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:11 AM   #6164
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You don't seem to see the point do you

Bob Arum makes up excuses in order to stop the fight from happening

These aren't demands, or negotiating tactics, they are made up excuses plain & simple and there isn't even any way around that

You are a re****, Blah Blah Blah ARum said this Blah Blah Blah
Well I have some news for you **** face. There are no deal breakers there like Lance said. But what is a deal Breaker?? I will keep 100% PPV and will not budge...Going to Jail is a deal BREAKER cos he could not fight.. Not Fighting outside of Vegas is a DEAL breaker if you ask me because FRAUD needs his injections.
Oh and let me go back to the issue of NEEDLES a Tattoo needle is not a ****ING syeringe needle you ****
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:13 AM   #6165
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and let us remember that this all stemmed off from floyd and his camps public accusations of pac using PEDs. and the mediator mentioned that both parties failed to make a deal so why would you accuse pac of walking out? they could have fought and settle for a middle ground of 19 days cut-off but didn't.

the cut-off is just one thing. pac conceded to 14 days and then to full cut-off. but floyd is not interested still siting that he needs more money and the higher split. he even wants all the PPV share for himslef. he also frequently sites needing to have his vacations when negotiations, especially the second one, is close to being made as mentioned by oscar and was later on confirmed by greenburg. right now, floyd is moving the goalpost again by saying that he cannot confirmed a fight for early next year and he just lost 15 pounds.




EVERYTIME PAC is waiting in the wings what do you hear from floyd's camp..

I'm on vacation

After the vacation

I need a tune up fight

After the tune up fight

I can't fight PAC he's on drugs/PED

After the drug testing issue was resolved. what's next..

I will not fight pac if he's with ARUM

ENDLESS EXCUSES! Some people are simply blind!
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