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Old 11-02-2012, 05:21 PM   #31
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Early night for Wlad as Lennox knocks his block off.
Yup.

Imagine he'd have knocked off the K2? That would have been nuts.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:23 PM   #32
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I like to add to this post by saying that Wladimir went 2-2 during this time stretch and struggled against Williamson. He didn't look good for 5 straight fights and this is the guy you guys think will KO Lennox?
Solid work I'm basing my opinion just on Lewis not having his head in the game at all around that point. I can't see him pulling something out of the bag and I think he may well have had a bad night against a few contenders at that point.

As I've already stressed, I prefer Lennox all the way more often that not.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:26 PM   #33
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Sorry. No excuses for Wlad. You can not make the 'taking opponents lightly' excuse. Not for Wladimir.

Lewis, that excuse can be made. Let me explain this.


Lennox showed up overweight and fat against Rahman, he got knocked out. He showed up in shape and 10 pounds lighter, he knocked out Rahman. The evidence was there for all to see. He looked sleeker, more fit, and more active.


Wladimir on the other hand, showed up in perfect physical condition for every single fight. He looked amazing against Purrity he looked amazing against Sanders, he looked amazing against Brewster from a physical point of view. There was no indication he took them lightly, no indication he was out of shape. The training camps I followed went great for all those fighters.

In shape and very much well conditioned Wladimir got knocked out against Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster. It wasn't that he didn't take them seriously, he just had horrendous flaws pre-Manny.

Even an Old Lewis would have exploited those flaws.

Once again we are talking about the Wladimir who looked like shit for five straight fights and we talking like the current version?
Wladimir went 2-2 during that stretch for Christ Sake and we talking like a 50% win ratio fighter during those years could have done anything against old Lewis?
He twatted Brewster in the rematch, just like Lewis twattes Rahman. Against purrity he took him lightly and dominated before gassing, didn't do his homework, everyone knows this.

Against sanders he got battered, but eve if that's a stylistic flaw, how many hw fighters throughout history are southpaw volume counter punchers?

Old Lewis v young wlad is a shootout.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:30 PM   #34
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Yup.

Imagine he'd have knocked off the K2? That would have been nuts.
If they still went on to dominate the next era as they have (Wlad mostly) I reckon some would have went on to rank Lennox the G.O.A.T.

I wouldn't, Wlad wasn't what he would become. If Lennox came back now and smashed him?
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:36 PM   #35
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Are you saying that Wlad would be a can if he never met Steward?

Also, I enjoyed reading your posts. You seem to be very knowledgeable.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:36 PM   #36
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Wrong analogies. Rematch Brewster was a different Wlad. When we talking young Wlad vs Old Lewis. We are talking a Young NO MANNY Wlad vs a Old Manny corner Lennox.


Wlad had a lot more flaws prior to 2006 than just the 3 fights in which he got knocked out in.
The point is he proved superiority in the rematch.

Wlads main flaw was being trigger happy and reckless. He still had quick hands, huge size advantage, a genuinely great jab and the hardest one punch power in hw history. With power like that, chin doesn't come into it, if he hits you on the button it's gonna be game over.

Old Lewis was very faded and would be more so by the time this took place. Sure he can take wlad out just as easily himself but wlad holds most of the advantages by this point.
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manny steward changed Wladimir. I know a lot of you are Wlad fans, but it is what it is.
Without Manny Steward, Wladimir would have gotten knocked out even against Samuel Peter first fight and retired. Or just go on to become a bigger more aggressive Tommy Morrison

Prior to Manny Steward, Wladimir was a offensive machine that crumpled upon the first signs of true pressure.


It's shocking and a bit sad to see so many posters forget just how flawed Wlad was and just how much Manny changed him for the better.
Wlad threw from the chest with his chin up in the air and leaning in when he threw hard. He could've beaten Sanders with just a few tweaks though IMO. I don't rate Sanders as much as some because in my opinion it isn't even a bad matchup for Wlad, Wlad just wasn't brilliant back then.

Still, he could whack. Lewis could get spiked IMO.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:39 PM   #38
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Why would I be a wlad fan? I'm English and worshipped Bruno like he was the creator of the universe.

Thinking wlad could ko shot Lewis is nothing to do with being a fan of anyone.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:50 PM   #39
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If they still went on to dominate the next era as they have (Wlad mostly) I reckon some would have went on to rank Lennox the G.O.A.T.

I wouldn't, Wlad wasn't what he would become. If Lennox came back now and smashed him?


BUT hypothetically speaking, say Vitali beats Johnson, Lennox actually does a situp for the rematch, and he beats Vit, then Wlad right after.

Over Holmes or Marciano?- with Louis/Ali being 1,2? (Depending where you rank them)
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I already have Lennox over Holmes and Marciano.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:52 PM   #41
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Why would I be a wlad fan? I'm English and worshipped Bruno like he was the creator of the universe.

Thinking wlad could ko shot Lewis is nothing to do with being a fan of anyone.
Well just because you're english doesn't mean you have to like Lewis after he ****ed Frank's world, and won Gold for CANADA

I lived with a guy who was a big Hatton/Bruno fan but hated Lennox, actually.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:53 PM   #42
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I already have Lennox over Holmes and Marciano.
Out of curiousity what's your top 5 look like?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:08 PM   #43
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Well just because you're english doesn't mean you have to like Lewis after he ****ed Frank's world, and won Gold for CANADA

I lived with a guy who was a big Hatton/Bruno fan but hated Lennox, actually.
in not a fan of either tbh
id root for Lewis out of national pride
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:15 PM   #44
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Default Re: Lennox Lewis vs. Wlad Klitschko.

Magna should write a book on the 90's, early 00's heavy scene. Those were good times with colorful, good fighters. I'd buy it.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:35 PM   #45
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Magna should write a book on the 90's, early 00's heavy scene. Those were good times with colorful, good fighters. I'd buy it.
I told him the same. His inside knowledge is amazing and I enjoy reading his technical reasoning for why a particular fighter will or won't something. And there's no substitution to actually having been in the ring with some of these guys.
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