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Old 10-31-2012, 10:31 PM   #16
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The sky would be green and sheep would rule the world. It would be utter ****ing madness.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:16 AM   #17
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Ellis did as well as he could have in the fight and showed great courage rising after getting clocked. He was a fine HW.
Your Quarry comment suggests you're a Jerry 'nut-hugger'. He should have beaten Chuvalo, lost to a, still, slick boxing Eddie (no knock on Quarry as he was young and green at the time.) He chose to lay on the ropes against Ellis in Oakland and Jimmy didn't buy it. IMHO Quarry was MORE guilty of making that WBA title scrap a bore than Ellis.

One final note, as much as I loved Jerry and rooted for him at that time, Joe would have beaten Jerry 10 times out of 10 simply because Quarry didn't have the punch to really hurt Joe nor the stamina...
I am a Quarry fan and I agree with your Frazier assessment 100%. Frazier was simply in a different class.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:43 PM   #18
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Do you dispute that in the year leading up to the FOTC that Ali had NINE times the rounds in the ring than Frazier did?
That's a (young) Frazier's fault. Do you dispute that Ali was out of the ring for 3 1/2 years while Joe was plying his trade with multiple tough opponents during the March 67-October 70 Ali layoff?
3 rounds against Quarry, a full-length (almost) scrap with Oscar? 90 days later the FOTC. I repeat, if Ali had waited until the summer of 71 to fight Joe, he would have won IMHO.
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The sky would be green and sheep would rule the world. It would be utter ****ing madness.

Jean-Pierre Coopman and Pete Rademacher would be the top two all time great heavyweights.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:50 AM   #20
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Soon I expect somebody to start a thread entitled:

"What if Joe Grim had beaten Jack Johnson?"
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