What if Frazier and Ali fought in the 60s? - Page 2

PhillyPhan69 · 11-01-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by doug.ie

but what about versions of each that we did see...i mean, we didnt see a 69 ali...so how would a 67 fight between them have gone, it possibly could have happened

i love Frazier and believe prime/prime he wins! But in 67 I am not sure he was seasoned enough....He had a few solid wins like Bonavena, Machen, Jones & Chuvalo...but not quite ready for prime time.

Senor Pepe' · 11-01-2012, 11:49 AM

1967

Yank Durham said Joe Frazier would be ready for Cassius Clay in two-years.

Yank said, Joe was still learning, right after Joe 'chopped up' George Chuvalo on July 19, 1967.

yancey · 11-01-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

i love Frazier and believe prime/prime he wins! But in 67 I am not sure he was seasoned enough....He had a few solid wins like Bonavena, Machen, Jones & Chuvalo...but not quite ready for prime time.

Agree 100% with this post.

PhillyPhan69 · 11-01-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

1967

Yank Durham said Joe Frazier would be ready for Cassius Clay in two-years.

Yank said, Joe was still learning, right after Joe 'chopped up' George Chuvalo on July 19, 1967.

I hate to nit pick pepe...But do you have a source for this information????

Stevie G · 11-02-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

i love Frazier and believe prime/prime he wins! But in 67 I am not sure he was seasoned enough....He had a few solid wins like Bonavena, Machen, Jones & Chuvalo...but not quite ready for prime time.

If Ali had n't have been exiled,the earliest Frazier would have been competitive would have been 1968 or '69.

PhillyPhan69 · 11-02-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevie G

If Ali had n't have been exiled,the earliest Frazier would have been competitive would have been 1968 or '69.

Oh he wouldn't have been just competitive...he woulda whooped em' again!

round15 · 11-02-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I like muhammad Ali to take this by a comfortable decision. Ali was still developing rapidly in the late 60's, and had his momentum not been dissrupted by the lengthy exhile, his skills would have been in perfect tact. With both Ali and Frazier burning the candle at both ends by eating up all the available contenders, its likely that they would have been forced together around 1968. At this point we'd be looking at a peak Ali and a somewhat less experienced Frazier.

I can agree with you somewhat Mr. Magoo.

I think Joe has a harder time with the Ali of 67 but at the same time we're talking about the Joe who didn't bust his ankle singing with this group and the cataracts weren't as pronounced as they'd become after FOTC.

Joe moved better in the late 60's, stayed low and worked the body better. I still think Joe catches up with the same Ali who fought Folley and Williams but Ali chances of winning are greater.

Bill Butcher · 11-02-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

What if Frazier and Ali had their first fight in the mid to late 60s? This, of course, assumes Ali was never exiled.

Clear UD to Muhammad Ali, very hard & competitive fight but he just outlands Joe 3 to 1 anytime there is any distance between them & Joe doesn`t cut him off & corner him anywhere near as much as he did the slower footed, less stamina version of 1971... hell Joe had trouble cornering the 74 version for 12 rounds once Ali had shaken off the ring rust, the 60s version was far superior when employing that strategy.

Ali W15 UD Frazier

PowerPuncher · 11-02-2012, 12:49 PM

Ali probably wins a close decision, maybe giving a rematch, where he wins wider. There's the possibility Frazier walks through fire again to pull off a FOTC win for Ali to adapt to win the ud

Bill Butcher · 11-02-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Frazier was much better in 68-69 than he was in 71....So an even wider margin of victory can be excpected!

Much better ?... sure he was... & Ali was much better in 71 than he was in the 60s too, right ?

Stevie G · 11-03-2012, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Much better ?... sure he was... & Ali was much better in 71 than he was in the 60s too, right ?

Stevie G · 11-03-2012, 06:51 AM

Frazier and Norton would still have been the 1967 Ali's toughest opponents had he met prime versions around that time.

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