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Old 10-30-2012, 07:39 PM   #16
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YEAH! Cody McKenzie should take up being a Bell Boy to supplement his income
Put a number on what you think Cody McKenzie is worth to the UFC every year. How many fans he draws in, how much revenue he generates by his individual presence on a card. **** all on all three counts, and both of us know it.

Here, I'll put your response in for you.



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Old 10-30-2012, 07:43 PM   #17
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:23 PM   #18
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if he is that useless than why do they put him on the cards ?
I actually like Cody and always cheer for him when he fights. This is a reference to a long-running "dispute" on here, regarding many posters whining that Dana doesn't pay his fighters enough.

I made the mistake once of saying that anonymous, interchangeable guys like Cody McKenzie can and should only expect to make a living wage, with no provision for their retirement. My reasoning is that they aren't world class, they don't cause anyone to buy a PPV card or tune in, and they can be easily replaced by any one of dozens of interchangeable guys. They are card fillers, not audience-drawing attractions.

Apparently in the view of several posters here, because Cody puts his health on the line to compete, he should somehow be entitled to earn enough money that he can live off it in his retirement.

I dispute that, and don't think that the occupation "UFC fighter" needs to automatically equate to "six figure income from Dana's cheques." If they excel at their jobs and do the extra work to promote themselves, they'll live very comfortably. If not, they'll live paycheck to paycheck like most people, hoping that nothing serious goes wrong. Professional fighters are pursuing a dream. It's very risky and it's not a short road to a six-figure income. They can always quit and earn money working construction.

I don't care if the UFC pays Cody $8k or $10k for a fight. Work harder, perform better, attract more sponsors. Then the money will go up. But someone like Cody, I see no need why he should be making $50k+ per fight. Because he just doesn't bring that kind of value to the company.

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Old 10-30-2012, 09:26 PM   #19
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Still that is a business relationship. Dana's issue with the casino seemed to be on an entirely personal level. For all we know, they cut his line of credit in half because he got into a habit of being slow to pay up. Entirely possible - he's a busy man to say the least.

Either way, he had a personal issue with the casino that apparently had nothing at all to do with the UFC in any way, shape or form. Any dispute (and it seems it was a relatively minor dispute) he had with the casino on an entirely personal level should not have cost that casino their lucrative business relationship with the UFC.

However, I might well have done the same if I were Dana. And not having knowledge of anything other than the surface facts, I can't make too strong a judgement one way or the other.

Dana's dealings with the Casino aren't really personal though. That is also business... even if it's a personal habit for Dana. That would still be considered Dana's business relationship with the Casino. After all... gambling is the business that the Casino is in. So... as I said before... what they did was a slap in the face of Dana and a show of disrespect. They should be grateful for someone who is bringing them so much business at an individual level, as well as a through the UFC.

Basically, they are saying... hey, thanks for all of the business that you bring in with your UFC events. Also, thank you for gambling away large amounts of money and tipping our staff in an outrageous manner... however we are going to cut your gambling credit line in half because we don't think you're good for it. Hell, they already said that he refuses to be comped. Most people in his line of work would take the comp and not pay shit to begin with.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:48 PM   #20
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Dana's dealings with the Casino aren't really personal though. That is also business... even if it's a personal habit for Dana. That would still be considered Dana's business relationship with the Casino. After all... gambling is the business that the Casino is in. So... as I said before... what they did was a slap in the face of Dana and a show of disrespect. They should be grateful for someone who is bringing them so much business at an individual level, as well as a through the UFC.

Basically, they are saying... hey, thanks for all of the business that you bring in with your UFC events. Also, thank you for gambling away large amounts of money and tipping our staff in an outrageous manner... however we are going to cut your gambling credit line in half because we don't think you're good for it. Hell, they already said that he refuses to be comped. Most people in his line of work would take the comp and not pay shit to begin with.
Both viewpoints have some validity. But we don't know the full story, do we? So we can't rush to judgement either way, if we are not in possession of all the facts. We don't know what Dana's habits are with his credit. But he has apparently used his dealings in his personal life as grounds to punish the casino with a reasonably big call in his professional life. So we can't give him a free pass.

On the other hand, it does seem like he's a guy the casino wants to keep on their good side. Apparently they didn't, and you get the sense that if his personal financial conduct was THAT bad there would be more information available. So there is fault there too. Like I said, I'm not taking a strong stand one way or the other.

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Old 10-30-2012, 09:58 PM   #21
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i've heard these arguments before, my own view of it is that pro mma fighters are dumb ****s who let themselves get used and abused. The kid you are mentioning might not be worth 50,000, but if Dana puts him on a card he is worth something..and given what the UFC makes I would think it is worth more than 5,000.
But we don't know what Cody is making. We DO know that if he stands out with a great performance, he's in line to make hefty bonuses. And if he consistently strings good performances together, his earnings will quickly rise to reflect that.

Also remember that his association with the UFC gives him a level of prestige that can translate into other income opportunities. Sponsorship deals, for example. Or he can earn money as a coach. "Learn BJJ with UFC fighter Cody McKenzie" justifies a significantly higher hourly rate than "Learn BJJ with bush-league fighter Cody McKenzie."

Plus, he's chasing his dream and is not exceptional at his profession. Bit-part actors struggle, and nobody has sympathy for them. If you have two lines in a $200 million blockbuster, nobody is saying you're getting ripped off if you don't clear $50 grand for your work. Because you didn't carry the movie, and your performance is easily duplicated by hundreds of other bit-part actors.

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I actually like Cody and always cheer for him when he fights. This is a reference to a long-running "dispute" on here, regarding many posters whining that Dana doesn't pay his fighters enough.

I made the mistake once of saying that anonymous, interchangeable guys like Cody McKenzie can and should only expect to make a living wage, with no provision for their retirement. My reasoning is that they aren't world class, they don't cause anyone to buy a PPV card or tune in, and they can be easily replaced by any one of dozens of interchangeable guys. They are card fillers, not audience-drawing attractions.

Apparently in the view of several posters here, because Cody puts his health on the line to compete, he should somehow be entitled to earn enough money that he can live off it in his retirement.

I dispute that, and don't think that the occupation "UFC fighter" needs to automatically equate to "six figure income from Dana's cheques." If they excel at their jobs and do the extra work to promote themselves, they'll live very comfortably. If not, they'll live paycheck to paycheck like most people, hoping that nothing serious goes wrong. Professional fighters are pursuing a dream. It's very risky and it's not a short road to a six-figure income. They can always quit and earn money working construction.

I don't care if the UFC pays Cody $8k or $10k for a fight. Work harder, perform better, attract more sponsors. Then the money will go up. But someone like Cody, I see no need why he should be making $50k+ per fight. Because he just doesn't bring that kind of value to the company.

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But we don't know what Cody is making. We DO know that if he stands out with a great performance, he's in line to make hefty bonuses. And if he consistently strings good performances together, his earnings will quickly rise to reflect that.

Also remember that his association with the UFC gives him a level of prestige that can translate into other income opportunities. Sponsorship deals, for example. Or he can earn money as a coach. "Learn BJJ with UFC fighter Cody McKenzie" justifies a significantly higher hourly rate than "Learn BJJ with bush-league fighter Cody McKenzie."

Plus, he's chasing his dream and is not exceptional at his profession. Bit-part actors struggle, and nobody has sympathy for them. If you have two lines in a $200 million blockbuster, nobody is saying you're getting ripped off if you don't clear $50 grand for your work. Because you didn't carry the movie, and your performance is easily duplicated by hundreds of other bit-part actors.


youve pretty much smashed it haggis.. great posts.

I dont know how many other places there are where a random fighter from butt**** idaho with no pedigree can be a millionaire in less than ten fights..
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:50 AM   #24
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I'd like to know what sort of annual salary Dana White is making. He seems to be doing his absolute darnedest to spend it all.
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Well it's significantly less since he signed Cody McKenzie
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:10 AM   #27
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let dana enjoy his earnings

he works hard to put on the great PPV's this year with fighters such as cody mckenzie featuring on those ppv's cut the guy some slack
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McKenzie is just taking a little while to adapt to the UFC



















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Old 11-03-2012, 06:56 PM   #29
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The palms ****ed up here. Dana will just go elsewhere and the casino will lose a shit pile of future revenue from the events. Very short sighted.
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There are no casinos I can think of that can cover Cody McKenzie's purse
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