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View Poll Results: Who's Greater?
Holman Williams 9 52.94%
Luis Manuel Rodriguez 8 47.06%
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:59 AM   #46
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:02 AM   #47
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Old 11-04-2012, 02:05 PM   #48
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As promised for the cobra

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Old 11-04-2012, 02:31 PM   #49
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This is good stuff, people. I'll be checking that out soon, Flea.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:15 PM   #50
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Thanks for posting Flea! Great to see. I still thinking LMR takes some scalps in Holman's era. He would make his presence felt...Too great a fighter not to. LMR bounces in and gets his punches off so fast inside, then bounces out of range...Very difficult to fight.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:09 AM   #51
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Agreed, fantastic operator.
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:48 PM   #52
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Burley and Williams' era is overrated. It was amazing....but not any better than the 60s.

So in fact their era isn't overrated, but the 60s is underrated.
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:19 PM   #53
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The chicken bit isn't as funny without the pic...
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Burley and Williams' era is overrated. It was amazing....but not any better than the 60s.

So in fact their era isn't overrated, but the 60s is underrated.
Absolutely!...I've always thought myself in the minority here.But have always thought the 60's were epic in the welter/middle ranks. Truly shark infested waters. If someone pointed a gun at me and told me to choose one...would have to go with the 40's...BUT if you would throw a LMR into the forties, he wins his share IMO. I rate LMR and Griffith probably higher that most around here...impressed with both.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:14 PM   #55
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Havent seen Williams so i cant properly judge him as a fighter. As for Rodriguez he looks very good/great on film. Have to go with El Feo here.
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Painful.

Most will go with Williams. His era has that special shine to it of course. Cocoa Kid got the better of their series, Cokes the better of the trilogy with LMR.

Rodriguez obviously the better hitter, Holman's hands were ****ed for years.

Rodriguez looked ace against Mims, and took the fight on what, 9 days notice? He was pretty f'n old school himself. He also looked brilliant against Olympic gold medalist Wilbur McClure, a tall undefeated middleweight brought up the hard way that Rodriguez nigh on sparked in their first fight (and won both IMO) cut up Bahama very quick, got the better of the series with Griffith IMO. Stopped Mundine quicker than Monzon (no footage sadly)

This of course, is why it's easier to plump for LMR. Footage. I'd likely find Williams equally spellbinding if I saw him spotting weight to top quality middleweight contenders and making them look, at times, foolish. I'm mesmerised by Lytell, Chase and especially Eddie Booker so I'm sure of feel more comfortable ranking these guys in the 20-30, 60-70, 90-100 brackets if I'd seen 'em, but as it stands there's all sorts of guys that got the better of other Murderers Row members, so it's really hard to discern which one of them should be ranked higher in some cases.

Both should be in the top 50 fighters of all time. I rank Rodriguez higher, but as I say I find it hard not to having also grown fond of his skill and attributes watching quite a bit of him where he looks ****ing brilliant. Rodriguez shouldn't be far off Gavilan, Napoles, Griffith and Williams shouldn't be far off Burley either IMO.

It could go either way. I can see why Williams might even be considered far superior given the fact he fought in the golden age and Rodriguez's middleweight era doesn't always receive the acclaim that ,IMO, it should. But I think anything other than a close call here is unfair. Both are greats of a very high calibre indeed.
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The chicken bit isn't as funny without the pic...
Not only is it not as funny without it, it's not funny at all without it.

Twasn't a great bit to begin with anyway. Decent thread this one though. I don't have a whole great many of those.
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Not only is it not as funny without it, it's not funny at all without it.

Twasn't a great bit to begin with anyway. Decent thread this one though. I don't have a whole great many of those.
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Great post!
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:03 AM   #60
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The problem with a comparison like this is the lack of footage on one side.

boxing isn't often a sport that can support a genuinely detailed debate in light of that.Certainly in cases where it should be clear we are discussing fighters on a relatively similar level of accomplishment\ability.

In the case of these two you don't even have the usal fall back of being able to acknowledge the pre-50s fighter would be quite a bit more proven against varying styles.

I think it would be overwhelming hubris to go around REALLY thinking you know who is the better of the two without having seen them actually fight each other a few times.
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