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Old 11-03-2012, 03:43 PM   #16
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Default Re: Is KO% a reliable indicator of a fighters power?

No, because some guys with godly power may have poor stamina or finishing skills to follow up when they hurt someone, on the other hand there are lots of guys who may not be the hardest one shot guys who know how to close the show or wear down guys.
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Old 11-03-2012, 03:49 PM   #17
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I dont think so because KO% isn't just KO's, it's TKO's, stoppages, corner retirements etc.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:25 AM   #18
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KO% can be very deceptive as alot of people have already said, there are numerous reasons that can make a light puncher have a high KO % and a hard puncher a low one.

**** Tiger is one of favourite examples, being a big fan, the man had a good punch particularly a crushing left hook but practically never went in for the kill after decking or hurting someone and so he didn't have a very high KO%.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:55 AM   #19
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KO% shows how good of a finisher you are IMO

Doesn't necessarily represent power
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:33 AM   #20
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Exactly.

High kayo percentage means a fighter is good at stopping opponents. Calzaghe actually was. Look at the Manfredo fight. Swamp a guy, and the ref will step in.

See the knockdowns caused, and against who, to measure a fighters ability to generate impact.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:15 AM   #21
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Exactly.

High kayo percentage means a fighter is good at stopping opponents. Calzaghe actually was. Look at the Manfredo fight. Swamp a guy, and the ref will step in.

See the knockdowns caused, and against who, to measure a fighters ability to generate impact.
Yep.

I like I said, it depends on the definition of "power".
Someone might consider power to primarily mean power to cause a stoppage result.
Another might just say power is the impact or force generated by a single punch, the "hardness" of the punch.
And various definitions in between.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:02 AM   #22
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I submit that it is almost meaningless.

I also feel that it is more directly correlated to a fighters level of opposition.

Bob Satterfield is generally regarded as being one of the hardest pound for pound punchers of all time, but he had a KO% of 44.3%. For contrast Chris Byrd who is universally regarded as a light puncher has a higher KO% at 46.81%, while Joe Calzaghe who has been plagued by hand problems for much of his career has a KO% of 69.57%.

If we rank these fighters by KO%, then the ranking correlates to the average quality of opposition they fought, but is clearly in reverse correlation to their power.
  • Joe Calzaghe 69.57%
  • Chris Byrd 46.81%
  • Bob Satterfield 44.30%
I submit this, in vain hope of laying this old chestnut to rest.
No, it is not a reliable indication.

Ike Williams 38.85%
Jimmy McLarnin 30.58%
George Ko Chaney 43.58%
Lew Jenkins 42.86%
Bud Taylor 22.42%
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:46 AM   #23
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Default Re: Is KO% a reliable indicator of a fighters power?

for the most part it is. When a fighter moves up in weight it can be deceptive since his first few fights at a new weight can go the distance. Hearns was 32-0 (30) when he fought Leonard. He was 46-3 (30) for the rematch and retired at 61-5-1 (48
You can still see he was a knockout puncher. Hagler retired at 62-3-2 (52) yet Hearns punched harder.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:41 PM   #24
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No, it is not a reliable indication.

Ike Williams 38.85%
Jimmy McLarnin 30.58%
George Ko Chaney 43.58%
Lew Jenkins 42.86%
Bud Taylor 22.42%
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:59 AM   #25
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Of course we can go to the other side . Carnera ,72 kos out of 88 wins for a near 70% record.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:31 AM   #26
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No, it is not a reliable indication.

Ike Williams 38.85%
Jimmy McLarnin 30.58%
George Ko Chaney 43.58%
Lew Jenkins 42.86%
Bud Taylor 22.42%
Could also add Kid Gavilan to that list. Below 20% but he certainly had respectable power at the least. Pretty sure he was the first to floor Chuck Davey and Gil Turner and one of only both fighters to stop either of them.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:41 AM   #27
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Default Re: Is KO% a reliable indicator of a fighters power?

Given that Juan Laporte's knockout ratio is only 38.6%,it's probably fair to say that it isn't.It's not uncommon for guys with power to be relatively poor finishers,or even guys with average or below average power to be decent finishers.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:38 PM   #28
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No it's not.
You can lose power at different rates if you go up/down in weight.
Also it's easier to knock out bums with worse chins than it is to knock out good fighters who's chins have helped them establish themselves at the top level.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:46 PM   #29
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I'd say that most heavy punchers have a good KO ratio, while lighter punchers don't. There are of course exceptions as it is far from an exact science. Accuracy, timing and output are also very important.

But another fact to consider is that fighters' KO ratio generally declines as they move up in weight, where their relative power diminishes.
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