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Old 11-04-2012, 04:21 PM   #16
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Judges should quite simply just watch the fights on TV, you have a better view, angle, and coverage via TV coverage than just sitting ring side.

They should just be sitting off in a room, nowhere near the ring.

Watching the fight.
In fairness, the impact of shots is a lot less clear on TV than in person. I'd be for having two judges elevated at ringside with one watching on a monitor in the back.
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They should watch it on a TV with no crowd noise.

The TV cameras always switch to the best position, there are no blind spots.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:23 PM   #18
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I wish Joe Cortez would elevate himself up to the moon and never return. But that actually seems like an interesting idea.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:32 PM   #19
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In fairness, the impact of shots is a lot less clear on TV than in person. I'd be for having two judges elevated at ringside with one watching on a monitor in the back.
Like i have just stated the angles are better/1

Observation is the most important thing, and the fact of the matter is..? TV coverage gives you better angles and covers the action better, than sitting in one position looking through some ****ing ropes.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:35 PM   #20
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that would be good where they could not hear the fans to sway them but not every show has the finance to do this probably
It wouldn't be practicle for all boxing, but any televised events have all camera feeds going to an EVS truck outside ( I used to work in them for a while), it's actually not very expensive to get the camera feeds sent to a "judges room" or anywhere else. it's exactly the same scenario as Rugby or cricket third umpires, they get the same camera angles as the viewers at home, but the get to choose what angles they want to see.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:19 PM   #21
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Like i have just stated the angles are better/1

Observation is the most important thing, and the fact of the matter is..? TV coverage gives you better angles and covers the action better, than sitting in one position looking through some ****ing ropes.
You've ignored the other point though - seeing something in the flesh is very different to seeing it on a screen. You still need to account for that.

You might "see" things better on TV, but you don't feel things the same way. One jab might be a light rangefinder that marks an opponent up, the other might be a booming ramrod that breaks an opponent up. They look the same on TV, but are very different in person.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:29 PM   #22
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Judges don't need better views they need to be competent and not corrupt. How is it that in comparison, the press, who are sitting behind the judges, rarely do such an awful job in scoring a fight.
This is what I was thinking.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:38 PM   #23
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You've ignored the other point though - seeing something in the flesh is very different to seeing it on a screen. You still need to account for that.

You might "see" things better on TV, but you don't feel things the same way. One jab might be a light rangefinder that marks an opponent up, the other might be a booming ramrod that breaks an opponent up. They look the same on TV, but are very different in person.
Judges are not taking the punches!

The bottom line is the coverage via TV has better angles and overall by far better coverage.

The judge is looking through the ropes, and at times may have their vision blocked, or they might not be able to see both fights equally.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:42 PM   #24
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Judges are not taking the punches!

The bottom line is the coverage via TV has better angles and overall by far better coverage.

The judge is looking through the ropes, and at times may have their vision blocked, or they might not be able to see both fights equally.
The referee must get in the way of a lot of action too.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:43 PM   #25
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The solution to jusdging is fairly simple -

1. More judges
2. Anonymous scoring
3. Highest and lowest scores for each fighter are removed
4. Average of remaining scores are taken

Job done.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:02 PM   #26
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Judges are not taking the punches!

The bottom line is the coverage via TV has better angles and overall by far better coverage.

The judge is looking through the ropes, and at times may have their vision blocked, or they might not be able to see both fights equally.
I sometimes wonder if you're slow. YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT!

YOU CAN HEAR THE IMPACT OF SHOTS AND SEE THE DIRECT EFFECTS OF THEM BETTER FIRST HAND THAN THROUGH TV.

The whole point is that elevating the judges ABOVE the ropes and the fighters would help their visibility.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:19 PM   #27
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TBH i agree with Laikaka.

If they need help try the following:

-ear plugs
-change seat every round or two. Maybe a different view?.

But for me a lot of these bad decisions are down to money and reputations. These bad call's never go in the way of the no mark.

TBH Judges may as well tell the fighters what they want before the fight happens.

Either way this wouldn't change a thing IMO.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:23 PM   #28
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In fairness, the impact of shots is a lot less clear on TV than in person. I'd be for having two judges elevated at ringside with one watching on a monitor in the back.
This is the way to go in my opinion too. It's so simple yet would probably work.

Maybe they could trial it or is that just too sensible for WBC/WBA et al

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Old 11-04-2012, 06:30 PM   #29
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I sometimes wonder if you're slow. YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT!

YOU CAN HEAR THE IMPACT OF SHOTS AND SEE THE DIRECT EFFECTS OF THEM BETTER FIRST HAND THAN THROUGH TV.

The whole point is that elevating the judges ABOVE the ropes and the fighters would help their visibility.
I have seen the point, and have chosen to ignore it slightly. Because the points i am making will have greater benefit to the judges.

Elevating the judges above the ropes, will make the judges look like ****ing pricks. They would get abused by ringside fans, in certain arena's.

It won't help them as much as my suggestion, of being in a special room, watching specially alternated coverage of the fight. Give the judges a opportunity to rewind and pause rounds in-between rounds, to access what ever camera angle they want! To analyse fighters in there corners etc.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:35 PM   #30
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I have seen the point, and have chosen to ignore it slightly. Because the points i am making will have greater benefit to the judges.

Elevating the judges above the ropes, will make the judges look like ****ing pricks. They would get abused by ringside fans, in certain arena's.

It won't help them as much as my suggestion, of being in a special room, watching specially alternated coverage of the fight. Give the judges a opportunity to rewind and pause rounds in-between rounds, to access what ever camera angle they want! To analyse fighters in there corners etc.
That wouldn't help the sport at all.
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