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Old 11-05-2012, 05:09 PM   #61
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Ali was very good and maybe even great- but not the greatest of all time.

He was a master of the illegal hold and hit and the head pull-down.
He wasn't a bad rabbit puncher, either.

Had he worked on and developed his head butt, elbow and low blows, he would have been the Greatest.
fair enough. name 3 better
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:11 PM   #62
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fair enough. name 3 better
Holyfield was a better head-butter.

Tyson was a better elbower.

Golota was better with the low blows.

No one came close to Ali with the illegal hold and neck pulling. He was the master.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:56 PM   #63
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I thought Cassius always had a weakness behind his knee's.

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After battling to a Draw with Antonio Inoki, Muhammad was asked if would be
performing in anymore 'Circus Acts'.

Muhammad Ali, 'Professional wrestling is 100% real. I will take on all Challengers.
If anyone thinks wrestling is fake, then I'm a Black Muslim. Next up, the Mighty Atorn.'

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Old 11-05-2012, 07:37 PM   #64
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Holyfield was a better head-butter.
Im sorry i might be wrong but was Holyfield ever caught head-butting on purpose in his entire career.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:37 PM   #65
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Okay, I'm caught up now. If I've learned anything from the Classic forum, it's that Muhammad Ali's actual record should read something like 40 wins with 21 losses. Including a loss to Jimmy Young, who had an official record of 34 wins, 19 losses, 2 draws, and 1 no contest. The so called "Greatest" has no business losing to a guy with a record like that. However, Jimmy Young's ACTUAL record should read something like 53 wins, 2 losses, and one disqualification. So, good win for Ali there, if it was an actual win, but it's not. In conclusion, Jimmy Young is The Greatest.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:31 PM   #66
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Im sorry i might be wrong but was Holyfield ever caught head-butting on purpose in his entire career.
No, that's why he was great at it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:08 AM   #67
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Im sorry i might be wrong but was Holyfield ever caught head-butting on purpose in his entire career.
Holyfield made it an art, there would be headbutts but you could never tell for sure it was done on purpose.
He even headbutted Valuev.

His style was perfect for headbutts because he could so perfectly hide them in it.

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Old 11-06-2012, 01:47 AM   #68
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Better it's Liston than him.
But Y do u give credit 4 ("winning") fixes ?
now suppose 1 of them was not , Liston was still old , undersized and who knows what else ?
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:39 AM   #69
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Nope. The onus of proof is on you, not me. Post it up if ya got it. Source?


No,no,he's right.The majority being Red Smith,Dick Young,some random,pissed off war vet brought in temporarily to cover the fight for the Wichita Eagle,the ghost of Jimmy Cannon to the minority of Tex Maule and Howard Cosell's toupee.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:48 AM   #70
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Muhammad Ali loses 'big points'

When he said he would fight the winner of the April 6, 1976 bout between the
'weak-chinned' duo of Richard Dunn and Bernd August.

Each of those guys could have knocked themselves out while applying shaving cream
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:48 AM   #71
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No,no,he's right.The majority being Red Smith,Dick Young,some random,pissed off war vet brought in temporarily to cover the fight for the Wichita Eagle,the ghost of Jimmy Cannon to the minority of Tex Maule and Howard Cosell's toupee.

Eh, he came up with about what I thought he would.
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Holyfield was a better head-butter.

Tyson was a better elbower.

Golota was better with the low blows.

No one came close to Ali with the illegal hold and neck pulling. He was the master.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:50 PM   #73
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Joe Frazier vs Muhammad Ali II.

Muhammad won in rounds, but 'Smokin Joe' won on points.

Referee Tony Perez could have penalized the 'clincher and holder' 5-points.
What's your opinion of Perez stopping one of the rounds to early?
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:44 PM   #74
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Holyfield made it an art, there would be headbutts but you could never tell for sure it was done on purpose.
He even headbutted Valuev.

His style was perfect for headbutts because he could so perfectly hide them in it.

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And as Tyson said he probably head-butted Holyfield too. And if Holyfield head-butted on purpose then why didn't he do it when he was losing to Lewis.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:55 AM   #75
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red smith rang the bell early in the 2nd to help frazier so perez thought the round was over
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