Slightly disturbed..Roberto Duran and Steroids

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by the cobra

MAG's the one to come out and say it so bluntly.

I saw the title of the thread and responded. There has been a lot of comments since that point away from that topic I can see now. Duran is not a guy who would take steroids. His confidence and pride would not be something which would let him do steroids. As much as some people think I am biased for Ray and not for Duran, Duran was one of the most proud and confident guys whoever fought. And people can tell that and love him for it.

[Clinton]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

duran isn't top 10 p4p. he lost to all the great fighters he faced. hearns beat the best collection of champions across the different weights. leonard was green against duran, he fought his fight, in 89 he beat him easy so that's all that matters.

Judah can stick and move, Duran never beat anyone who can move. Judah > Duran.

I know who you're referring to,lol. PS the "Floored" thread is just short of 1500 posts. Congratulations are in order

[the cobra]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

I saw the title of the thread and responded. There has been a lot of comments since that point away from that topic I can see now. Duran is not a guy who would take steroids. His confidence and pride would not be something which would let him do steroids. As much as some people think I am biased for Ray and not for Duran, Duran was one of the most proud and confident guys whoever fought. And people can tell that and love him for it.

Agreed, MAG.

I'm just saying that it's a wee bit ironic that you would be the one to so flatly deny disparaging claims against Duran. You're kind of known for the opposite thing there. You know? Yeah, you know.


Also, people don't think you're biased for Ray. They think you're biased for Tommy and biased against Duran. It's cool though. It is who you is, MAG.

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by the cobra

Agreed, MAG.

I'm just saying that it's a wee bit ironic that you would be the one to so flatly deny disparaging claims against Duran. You're kind of known for the opposite thing there. You know? Yeah, you know.


Also, people don't think you're biased for Ray. They think you're biased for Tommy and biased against Duran. It's cool though. It is who you is, MAG.

yeah you are probably right, I am probably biased toward Tommy. That is for sure. I always loved his style and who he was. I don't think Duran or Hearns or Hagler would do steroids. Ray? Probably not but more than those 3 would. Those 3 had a warriors confidence in themselves. Ray was great ,but he looked for advantages all the time. Not saying he would take steroids, just more possible than Roberto,Tommy and Marvin. I hate to say it, but just personality wise. But I don't think he did. Tommy joked in 1989 a few days before the rematch that Ray was looking big and maybe he was on something. It really pissed off Ray who said, I will put up all my purse if you put up yours. If it comes out negative you give up your purse. He said Tommy never mentioned it again. Hearns was just trying to irritate Ray a little. And it worked. Ray liked to be psychological, but he could not really take many comments from other fighters..

[Son of Gaul]

Originally Posted by anj

Dude you are not serious are you?

Duran's wins:
Koyabashi - a seriously great lightweight.
Ken Buchanan - a worthy hall of famer
Ernesto Marcel - a top lightweight who went on to beat Alexis Arguello
Esteban De Jesus
Guts Ishimatsu - DOMINANT lightweight
Saoul Mamby - a Cerevantes type fighter who lost many but also had a streak with lightweight championship wins, including win over Esteban De Jesus and others
Carlos Palomino - hall of famer
Sugar Ray Leonard once but dominated after
Slight loss to Benitez, loss to a random Kirkland Laing afterwards.
Beat GREAT fighter Davey Moore
Narrow loss to Hagler at middleweight, yes MIDDLEWEIGHT.
A COMPLETELY shot fighter a year after Hagler
Still beats Iran Barkley afterwards!
- Don't forget that he was ballooning in weight constantly throughout his career which has a bad effect on your body over time.

Oh yes, this thread is as serious as it gets...

[MadcapMaxie]

Pac takes out this "Juran" fool in 1, too modern and Juran isn't. If he is so great why doesn't he fight pac instead of ducking him?

[young griffo]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

A very messy win over Pooigi Minchello though. And Joseph Npooga was a decent contender that rarely gets mentioned as a good turd tier win for Duran.

How about a fantasy match up of middleweight Duran vs Tom Bogs?

[Danmann]

'He used steroids" has become a phrase people use to unfairly knock any athlete they don't like. Duran did not lift weights, and steroids were pretty much unknown of to boxers then. Never been any indications or rumors Duran used them, some youtube comment does not merit an accusation.

[Unforgiven]

There's no evidence that he used them.
He never looked like he'd gained much muscular weight in his career.

But let's not pretend or assume that boxers in the 1970s weren't using steroids. It's not the boxers themselves or even the trainers who had to know about the drugs, it's the training camp doctors they called in to fix injuries and give the fighters a boost. There have been all sorts of drugs and potions knocking around in the sport since the beginning.

[Flea Man]

anj I'm not saying they're not quality wins. I'm saying you don't have much of a clue about most of the fighters you're talking about.

What does 'pretty dominant' mean? Read a fucking dictionary.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by young griffo

How about a fantasy match up of middleweight Duran vs Tom Bogs?

[anj]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

anj I'm not saying they're not quality wins. I'm saying you don't have much of a clue about most of the fighters you're talking about.

What does 'pretty dominant' mean? Read a fucking dictionary.

I'm from UK, we use a different lingo.
Guts' 'quality' winning streak did make him a dominant force in the lightweight division, period.

Whether you say I don't have 'much of a clue' or not does not matter to me, I believe I addressed the person I was responding to appropriately. The person said 'duran isn't top 10 p4p. he lost to all the great fighters he faced.'

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by the cobra

El Poopo.


(People are ignoring the poop element, I feel)

TURDan.

[the cobra]

I wasn't talking about you, Orriray. Nah, you got it all wrong. I saw that post where you called him Turdan. I did. See, I was talking about those other people. They were ignoring it. Like assholes.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by the cobra

I wasn't talking about you, Orriray. Nah, you got it all wrong. I saw that post where you called him Turdan. I did. See, I was talking about those other people. They were ignoring it. Like assholes.

Those assholes don't even deserve to talk about Duran's asshole tbh.