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Old 11-06-2012, 03:36 PM   #31
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I rate tyson very highly but in this one he has a few problems he struggled to fight once he was backed up and once that happened that is when he tended to fall apart.

The one thing Ali had over Tyson big was his footspeed.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:41 PM   #32
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If Frazier could consistantly reach Ali, why wouldn't Tyson inflict the same type of damage?
Will inflict more damage. Ali likes to fight with his hands down and that will be a huge mistake against Tyson who is very fast for a heavyweight and extremely heavy handed. It is a very bad match up for Ali for he doesn't really hit harder enough to keep tyson at bay.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:38 PM   #33
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Marciano and Tyson are not very far apart in size at all. They're about the same height, (Tyson may have an inch on Rock), and prime for prime Mike tended to weigh in about 20 pounds heavier, but considering that muscle weighs more than fat and the greater tendency for muscle building today, I'm willing to bet Rock would get up to 200 or so.

As for me, I'm pretty convinced that Rocky would withstand Tyson's barrage early and wear him down late.
Tyson was a solid 215-220 at 20 years old and it had nothing to do with muscle building. Marciano was 185 in his prime. That's not 20 pounds, that's 30 pounds or more. And Tyson had better hand speed and foot speed to go with it.

When did Marciano ever withstand anything comparable to Tyson's early round assault? It never happened. Not even close. Looks to me like your argument is "faith based". Marciano started way too slowly and was too open defensively not to eat bombs from the opening bell. He wouldn't survive more than a few rounds.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:10 AM   #34
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If Frazier could consistantly reach Ali, why wouldn't Tyson inflict the same type of damage?
Frazier was willing to pay the price of having his face transformed into a mass of lumps,and contusions to land his hook, it comes down to heart. Frazier also did not have the same success in their subsequent fights when Ali had shook off his ring rust.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:54 AM   #35
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True. Tyson would be beaten before he enters the ring. Same against Johnson. And against guys like Marciano and Jeffries he would also after the first few rounds dishing out everything and seeing them still coming at him.
Yes because Marciano is simply going to soak up all of Tysons punishment and come out unscathed
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #36
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...Because Frazier had far more heart than Tyson, and endured everything Ali threw at him to keep landing that hook. Not to mention that if you're referring to a fantasy matchup, a prime Ali is generally used...


Good summary.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:10 PM   #37
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Frazier had longer reach and a totally different style to Tyson.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:45 PM   #38
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Look what Cooper could do to a "prime" Ali.
Tyson would eat his children.
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