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Old 11-07-2012, 12:10 PM   #16
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does anyone have the exact total of behind the neck 'cuffs' mr. Ali used on
mr. Frazier.

Fouling is one thing, but to take advantage by using a 'filthy' low-style move,
knowing full well that the ringside officials (new york state athletic commission)
would allow you to get away with it, because they were bidding for another 'big dollar'
fight.
Primary source?
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:36 PM   #17
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Thoughts by Tony Perez, on why he wasn't allowed to penalize or DQ
Muhammad Ali.

Teddy Brenner and Madison Square Garden,


A) Wanted Muhammad Ali to defeat Joe Frazier on January 28, 1974

B) They were hoping (praying) that Ken Norton would defeat George Foreman in
their March 1974 Heavyweight Championhsip Bout.

C) Madison Square Garden was planning on having Muhammad Ali fight the 'new'
Champion Ken Norton in October 1974, and in Madison Square Garden.

Hence, Muhammad Ali 'must win'.
Unless you produce a primary source to prove this ,we must assume you are not only lying, but that you have libelled a man who was renowned for his integrity ie Teddy Brenner.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:39 PM   #18
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Thoughts by Tony Perez, on why he wasn't allowed to penalize or DQ
Muhammad Ali.

Teddy Brenner and Madison Square Garden,


A) Wanted Muhammad Ali to defeat Joe Frazier on January 28, 1974

B) They were hoping (praying) that Ken Norton would defeat George Foreman in
their March 1974 Heavyweight Championhsip Bout.

C) Madison Square Garden was planning on having Muhammad Ali fight the 'new'
Champion Ken Norton in October 1974, and in Madison Square Garden.

Hence, Muhammad Ali 'must win'.

Definitely an aroma of bullshit about this,Pepe
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:21 PM   #19
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More horsehockey from our lying friend.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:52 PM   #20
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Round 7,

Absoluetly a 'filthy display' of sportsmanship from a 'dirty boxer'.

Muhammad Ali grabbed the back of Joe Frazier's neck no less than
'13-times', and held on for total of '1:25' of a 3-minute round.

And '7' of those times, he purposely pushed down of Mr. Fraziers head,
committing an 'intentional dirty foul'.

Muhammad Ali was an 'unclean' boxer.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:12 PM   #21
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Perez was a great 3rd man, but Ali/Dundee s had a lot of influence
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #22
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Perez was a great 3rd man, but Ali/Dundee s had a lot of influence
Tony Perez was a very good third man in the ring, but in January 1974
he was young man at 43.

He was 'intimidated by the atmosphere that night'.

Tony could have easily warned Mr. Ali '4-times' for cuffing, and
deducted a 2-point penalty in Round 7, and still had enough
left over to warn Mr. Ali '7' more times.

What do you call a boxer who intentionally fouls like that,,,,,,,,,,,
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #23
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What do you call a boxer who intentionally fouls like that,,,,,,,,,,,
The Greatest!
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:56 PM   #24
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The Greatest!

And the WINNER.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:06 PM   #25
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Tony Perez was a very good third man in the ring, but in January 1974
he was young man at 43.

He was 'intimidated by the atmosphere that night'.

Tony could have easily warned Mr. Ali '4-times' for cuffing, and
deducted a 2-point penalty in Round 7, and still had enough
left over to warn Mr. Ali '7' more times.

What do you call a boxer who intentionally fouls like that,,,,,,,,,,,

Intimidated???
The two judges had it 7-4 & 8 -4.Perez had it 6-5.

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Old 11-07-2012, 04:07 PM   #26
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Ringside Observer,

Fernando Ortiz,

"It was a disgrace. Tony should have deducted 6 or 7 points from that
'dirty man'. A good Referee would have done that. No question, I would
have Disqualified him. There is no need for that type of fouling in professional
boxing.'

'I looked at him, and said 'you are filthy'. You're so dirty you need to take a
shower.'

Hey Muhammad !!

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Old 11-07-2012, 04:31 PM   #27
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British referee Harry Gibbs was once in line as a possible referee in a M. Ali world title fight. He was asked from the commision what he would do if Ali grabbed behind the head. Gibbs said: "The same as I would do to any preliminary fighter. Two warnings and then out he goes". Did Gibbs ever referee a Muhammed Alif fight??
But on the other hand - Tony Perez did some very poor jobs.

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Old 11-07-2012, 05:20 PM   #28
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British referee Harry Gibbs was once in line as a possible referee in a M. Ali world title fight. He was asked from the commision what he would do if Ali grabbed behind the head. Gibbs said: "The same as I would do to any preliminary fighter. Two warnings and then out he goes". Did Gibbs ever referee a Muhammed Alif fight??
But on the other hand - Tony Perez did some very poor jobs.

Woller
M. Woller,

Tremendous post.........

Mr. Harry Gibbs would have thrown him out, most definitely.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:31 PM   #29
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British referee Harry Gibbs was once in line as a possible referee in a M. Ali world title fight. He was asked from the commision what he would do if Ali grabbed behind the head. Gibbs said: "The same as I would do to any preliminary fighter. Two warnings and then out he goes". Did Gibbs ever referee a Muhammed Alif fight??
But on the other hand - Tony Perez did some very poor jobs.

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No, but he refereed Muhammad Ali against Brian London in 1966
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Round 10,

Again, Muhammad Ali fought as a 'dirty man', with numerous fouling.

No less than '14-times' he cuffed Mr. Frazier behind the neck, and
pulled at him.

A total of 1:13 of the 3-minute Round, Mr. Ali fought very 'unclean'.

Not one warning by Tony Perez, and he only slapped at Mr. Ali once.

Clearly a round, in which Mr. Ali should have had at least '4' warnings, and
at a minimum a 2-Point deduction.

Joe Frazier won the round, and with proper penalties, it should have been
a 10-7 Round, but with New York Scoring, it could have been called for
Joe Frazier as a 3-point Round.
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